Draft Analysis: "A massive value-destroying error"?

[Agent Blue]

15 hours ago, NCBlu said:

We had a great QB, a one of a kind talent and where did that get us without a team around him? QBs can't do it on there own, someone needs to catch, block, COACH all that good stuff too .

Cam was a great athlete. He was not a great QB.

Was too inconsistent with passing to be considered a great QB.

[Agent Blue]

11 hours ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

Let's just be honest, Fields sliding to 8 was very slim before they traded for Darnold. So after trading for Sam, they didn't want to look stupid, drafting Fields as Chris Simms kept pointing out. To me, they were worried about public opinion and value their own. What ever happens... sticking with Darnold over Fields/Mac is going to defined Rhule and Fitterer dynasty.

Tepper wanted Fields, but he let the football gurus take a swing.

I guess he doesn't want to come across as the next Jerry Jones.

 

 

naw, they get atleast one more shot to draft a QB high and see if that hits.

rhule signed a 7 yr contract.

he has plenty of cards to play before he bows out.

[cookinbrak]

But...Denver passed up QBs, too.

[unicar15]

This is when analytics goes too far. I could argue that the Horn pick could have been one of the most important picks in the last decade if:

Horn is a lockdown corner (very possible) and Darnold is a future top 10 Qb (also possible. Not as likely. But possible). 
 

Basically if Darnold is a 4500 yard, 30TD, 10 or less Int player with this team then the pick solidifies the Panthers as a future monster in the NFC much like the Hawks were with the Legion. Imo other than Lawrence, Darnold has just as much potential boom as any other QB in this class. Combine that with the EXTREMELY rare traits for Horn...it was the right pick.

Edited May 14 by unicar15

[hepcat]

LB Luke Kuechly suspiciously missing from that list of “destructive” value picks.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

4 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Let's be real honest. 

The front office doesn't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks of their moves. 

 

Well guess who does? Their FUGGING boss! How short does the leash get if Fields goes Mahomzian and the Ginger Cringer shiitts the bed? I'd say real short. So they better damn well care.

[jayboogieman]

8 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Agreed. 

That said, if "they" are wrong what are the ramifications?

Then the season ends up whatever it ends up. Rhule and Fitt then try again next year.

[jayboogieman]

9 minutes ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

Well guess who does? Their FUGGING boss! How short does the leash get if Fields goes Mahomzian and the Ginger Cringer shiitts the bed? I'd say real short. So they better damn well care.

I agree that the FO should care what Tepper thinks of the picks since he can fire them. I don't think the leash gets any shorter if Fields does well and Darnold doesn't. If the team is still looking for a QB in 2 or 3 years, then yeah, it'll be a different story.

[MHS831]

If this were true, would not QBs always be the first 5-6 players drafted, regardless of need?

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

So by next year after losing with Darnold, by your estimate they will be parting ways with Sam, correct???

And once again, do they try to trade for a vet or do they learn from THIS YEARS MISTAKE and draft a F******QB!???

Darnold is 3 years proven bust, oh he played for the Jets, look at Tannehill in Tenn, it was Gase, in Brady's system, Rhule can coach him up, Fitterer is not Marty,(who was actually pretty good with first round picks, Fitterer the jury's still out) all these excuses for why he should be good here but when he's still throwing more INTs than TDs what's the argument then?

And a group of professional football evaluators said once upon of time "don't sign D.Brees sign Culpepper, draft Ronnie Brown over A.Rodgers...

Rhule walking a thin line next to Saban.

Translation: "They didn't pick the quarterback I wanted so I'm gonna b-tch and moan and hope they lose so I can say I was right."

Edited May 14 by Mr. Scot

[SizzleBuzz]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Translation: "They didn't pick the quarterback I wanted so I'm gonna b-tch and moan and hope they lose so I can say I was right."

Who was tour top choice to replace TB5 at the QB position?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Who was tour top choice to replace TB5 at the QB position?

I didn't really think all that highly of this year's choices.

Sticking with Bridgewater was a non-starter.

Stafford would have been good, but only a short term solution.

Trading for someone like Watson or Wilson would have cost too much.

Moving up high enough in the draft to get one of the top choices would also have cost more than I'd have been comfortable paying, and I had concerns about all of those guys anyway.

Darnold? I was iffy on that idea, but what we have up for him was reasonable (especially given that we got most of it back by trading down in the draft).

So for now, I'm just in wait and see mode.

[MadHatter]

20 hours ago, CRA said:

they used too many words to say something simple.

Drafting a player that turns into the best RB or DB in the entire NFL....doesn't actually mean anything in today's NFL.  That isn't how you go about winning in today's NFL.   Those are complimentary pieces to your QB driven team. 

The key to real and lasting NFL success is finding a QB.   Nothing really matters until you find one.  Can you win without one? Maybe.  But it generally is a one year fluke and you are right back to not mattering. 

 

I agree with you that you can’t win without a good qb.  However, the staff believe Darnold (top 3 pick) is as good as the other qb’s not named Lawrence and Wilson in this draft.

 

[Soul Rebel]

It's strange to me like there's no QBs coming out in 2022 and beyond. Yes, we passed on Fields but we have a plan to see if a 23-year old #3 overall pick could be the answer. He may or may not be.

However, there will be QBs available to draft next year...and the year after that...and yup... the year after that. 

2022: 

Howell

Rattler

Willis

Slovis

Riddler

That's just pre-season guesses. Lots of other guys out there that could pull a Wilson/Burrow and move into the upper echelon next year.