Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

No more Watson threads. Use this one or one of the other 20 existing ones.

rayzor

By rayzor,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

Smittymoose Experienced

Smittymoose

Posted
Posted
Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

You're taking this way too personally.  We had an average QB in 2020 and we won 5 games though.

What am I taking personally? I don't give a fug about you. I want you to explain your reasons though, to prove they aren't half-baked garbage. Since you didn't answer before:

1. Which cap hits, specifically, should we be worried about, in the upcoming years?

2. What reasons, specifically, are there for Watson not to trust Tepper? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
YourLastThought Mentor

YourLastThought

Posted
Posted
21 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Lovie Smith may not have done well in college, but he has an over .500 overall record in the NFL.  He has also been known to be popular with players.  I wouldn't place him as a top tier head coach, but he's better than Matt Rhule.

ANYBODY is better than Matt Rhule. I would take almost ANYONE gladly over Rhule and that is no exaggeration.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PootieNunu Grand Master

PootieNunu

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, BlitzMonster said:

my only hope is that Rhules incompetence as a head coach and general bone-headedness turns off Watson

Rhule is a non factor. Tepper is waiting to land watson to decide on the next coach. This is Rhules last year unless Watson likes him. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PNW_PantherMan Grand Master

PNW_PantherMan

Posted
Posted
Just now, Smittymoose said:

What am I taking personally? I don't give a fug about you. I want you to explain your reasons though, to prove they aren't half-baked garbage. Since you didn't answer before:

1. Which cap hits, specifically, should we be worried about, in the upcoming years?

2. What reasons, specifically, are there for Watson not to trust Tepper? 

You're using language like someone who's upset.  But a lot of our cap room is spoken for over the next 2 seasons depending on who goes the other way in the trade.  This website is a great reference for that as you can look at 2022, 2023 and 2024.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

And I'm simply pointing out that this player has burned a bridge with ownership and there is a possibility it happens with his next team.

I'm done with this for now though.  It's just a bunch of name calling and poo flinging instead of having a discussion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Shocker Grand Master

Shocker

Posted
Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

So, trade multiple firsts to move up and acquire a rookie QB who may not be any good at all instead of trading multiple firsts to acquire a surefire top 5-7 QB in the league who is 26 years old?

Got it.

LOL…leave out the players going out and his enormous cap hit and him costing many more premium picks than a move up would cost.  Not to mention the 22 pending civil suits.  Lets ignore all that

 

Edited by Shocker
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
t96 Grand Master

t96

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

They should be.  But hey, maybe some organizations don't want the stink of Watson hanging over their franchise.  Must be refreshing to have standards. 

Houston isn't trading him in their division

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
grimesgoat Experienced

grimesgoat

Posted
Posted

I hate the idea of Watson being the face of the franchise for obvious reasons.

But if we gotta do this, Darnold better be going out with those 3 firsts. If Burns has to go, so be it - but we need to get something back - like a 2nd or 3rd.

If we dump Darnold's 18m and re-cast Watsons 35m base salary to some sort of bonus, we may be looking at 30m in cap in addition to the 30m or so we already have.  

We can then eat CMC's hit in a trade to buffalo for some additional draft capital.

If we play our cards right, we could walk away with Watson, a second, a third, and 40m in cap.  We can build something with that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Smittymoose Experienced

Smittymoose

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You're using language like someone who's upset.  But a lot of our cap room is spoken for over the next 2 seasons depending on who goes the other way in the trade.  This website is a great reference for that as you can look at 2022, 2023 and 2024.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

And I'm simply pointing out that this player has burned a bridge with ownership and there is a possibility it happens with his next team.

I'm done with this for now though.  It's just a bunch of name calling and poo flinging instead of having a discussion.

Yes, I have known about spotrac for about a decade. You didn't answer either question. Will you answer them? Which cap hits are long-term concerns? What are the reasons Watson shouldn't trust Tepper? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, Shocker said:

It is but we haven’t made the move yet.  Holding out hope he goes somewhere else.  Someone on ESPN said we have inquired about Trubisky.  Get the OT at six and bring in Mitch to bridge us to next year and spend some serious capital then to move up and get our guy

why do we need mitch to bridge us to next year?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
45catfan Grand Master

45catfan

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, joemac said:

Lol you really think they’d trade him in their own division?!

If they actually accept the type of ransom being thrown out there while no other team does?  Players end up facing their old teams all the time.  I think the whole "we don't want to face him" thing is WAY overblown by any traded player.  It projects weakness and distrust within you own four walls that you can't overcome playing against one of your former players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BlitzMonster Mentor

BlitzMonster

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, grimesgoat said:

I hate the idea of Watson being the face of the franchise for obvious reasons.

But if we gotta do this, Darnold better be going out with those 3 firsts. If Burns has to go, so be it - but we need to get something back - like a 2nd or 3rd.

If we dump Darnold's 18m and re-cast Watsons 35m base salary to some sort of bonus, we may be looking at 30m in cap in addition to the 30m or so we already have.  

We can then eat CMC's hit in a trade to buffalo for some additional draft capital.

If we play our cards right, we could walk away with Watson, a second, a third, and 40m in cap.  We can build something with that.

Houston is setting the terms of the deal.  Not us.  

With so many teams trying to get Watson, they can ask for whatever they want and get it.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pejorative Miscreant Grand Master

Pejorative Miscreant

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

Rhule is a non factor. Tepper is waiting to land watson to decide on the next coach. This is Rhules last year unless Watson likes him. 

I think the best thing you are telling Watson is that we are retiring the turnstiles.  Problem is we don’t have a way to readily address the issues plaguing us on the line. Fitty needs to earn his money and figure out a way.  Granted that I think anything would be an improvement.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

It's absolutely butt-hurt. You're assuming on the front-end that he shouldn't trust Tepper. What are your specific reasons for this? Because you're mad he hired Rhule and mad he didn't fire him? Therefore, no one should trust him?

It's not going to take 3-5 years to build around him, get real. The Panthers with just an average QB last year are a 9-10 win team. I wonder if every team has as many Chicken Little fans as the Panthers?  

Its absolutely going to take 3-5 years to rebuild if we trade away all that capital.  Have you seen our roster as it stands now?

How in your opinion are we going to build the line to make it simply average?

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Proudiddy
      Baker is in a sling…. The division is a 2 horse race!

      By Proudiddy · Posted

      Honestly, I view the rest of this season like every game is a division game - meaning you can throw the records out.  Throw the perceived favorites out.  Every week, we have to show up and punch them in their mouth.  We’re gonna have to gut it out.  We can’t go into games against well coached teams and think, “well, the Rams already got that one, McVay is just too good of a coach and they’re too talented.”  “Can’t beat the Niners.  Shanahan is one of the best and they just play everyone so tough, even with injuries.”  We have to go into each game feeling like everyone counted us out and we have to show them why they’re wrong.  And speaking of the Niners - that’s the exact blueprint we need to be looking at - for the last, it seems like at least 5 years, they have been decimated with injuries.  And they still contend to win their division and make a run in the playoffs every year.  Even while starting a plethora of QBs.  Even with their best defensive players being out for the bulk of seasons…  their DNA doesn’t change.  They compete.  Their standard is winning and nothing less, so even if you’re the 3rd stringer forced into action, either show up and play to that level or find another team.  This should be our approach and I think the Saints game was an important wake up call… I occasionally listen to whatever ESPN show is on sports radio in the mornings with Chris Camry and I believe it was after we beat the Packers, they asked him about us and he said, “they’re a young team learning how to win.”  And that is about as accurate or a description as you can get.  It explains the hiccups and the struggles.  But it also explains why it looks so good when we put it all together.  What we need now is our guys to have that light bulb come on as a collective and never look back.  I hope last week was the start of that and it continues tonight and for the rest of the season..
    • frankw
      Surprise! Kon looks really bad!

      By frankw · Posted

      The veterans played better last night and they actually were looking for Kon but Bridges and Sexton went for a combined 2-15 from three. That is so bad.
    • frankw
      Surprise! Kon looks really bad!

      By frankw · Posted

      https://www.talkbasket.net/206848-lamelo-ball-frustrated-by-hornets-struggles-amid-durability-concerns "Charlotte Hornets star LaMelo Ball is reportedly frustrated by the team’s lack of forward progress, according to NBA insider Jake Fischer." Apparently in his mind being perpetually injured and playing less than Gordon Hayward while on a supermax contract has no effect on the forward progress of the franchise.
×
×
  • Create New...