ELLIS L. WILLIAMS Of the OBSERVER on Jimmy G

[Jaxel]

I think in the trade for a vet QB scenario, I would still go for Baker, he has been mostly good, outside of an injury riddled year last year and could elevate this team. I'd go that route, especially if the browns are forced to eat his salary.

[davos]

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

But why?  What purpose does he serve?  The san fran staff is light years ahead of rhule and co and they fully recognize that Jimmy G aint it.  Why would we want to try and win with him?  

 

It makes literally no sense to bring in either baker or jimmy.  Like I dont give a fug how cheap they are trade wise or even if they would play for free.  They are not the answer

Because the staff is trying to win and will have the misconception Jimmy G can. 

So, I agree, but I'm speaking to us having opened the space this year for a move so it would be no thing cap wise.  If that's what they want, I wouldn't have an issue with it. I personally think he's not that good so it would simply prevent maxing out some rollover and we could get a high 2023 for a big swing near the top of the draft.  

[davos]

22 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How is it worth it?  You really think Jimmy G can get this team in the playoffs?   Its imperative we take our lumps with Darnold this year and start completely clean in 2023.

 

Maybe i am the moron here because I am not seeing any value of bringing a hurt (expensive) Jimmy G here on a one year deal.  He would win enough games to fug us in the draft but not enough to want to resign him to a massive starter deal

You're expressing what we'd all want as fans but not the likely reality of the situation.  I've long since accepted they're not sticking with Darnold and trying to save their jobs.  

[Panthercougar68]

3 minutes ago, davos said:

You're expressing what we'd all want as fans but not the likely reality of the situation.  I've long since accepted they're not sticking with Darnold and trying to save their jobs.  

This isn't 2010 lame duck John Fox who knows he's on the way out. Rhule is still trying to win in his mind. Now if we do roll with PJ and Sam as QBs that would change my tune but as of not, bottoming out is not an option for Matt.

[panthers55]

So he won't even be able to throw until August, has no experience in our system and has only succeeded when the offense is tailored to his limitations which is one read only. I can't see how that is any better than what we have in Darnold.  I would go Mayfield. I think his recent fall from grace and little interest in acquiring him should quell much of that ego and douchbaggery behavior.  His comments about wanting to go to a fans cubicle and boo them like he gets on Sunday is likely something all athletes think about when things go poorly. They just don't say it out loud like he did.

[t96]

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If he's released an willing to sign a very low cap hit deal, sure. A trade? No. Not with that cap hit. Not even for a conditional 7th.

Either way, if Jimmy G is our starting QB we're drafting in the top 10 again guaranteed, so why bother at all?

 

The way I see it is any QB trade including Darnold would be fine with me. Any QB trade not including Darnold is unacceptable.

 

I think with an upgraded OL (need to hit on LT in the draft and have our FA guys show they were worth those deals) that a Jimmy G or Baker M could get us into a wildcard slot, IF McAdoo can show he's the real deal as an o coordinator and Rhule shows some progress as a HC. Yes, a lot of big IFs there, but I prefer trying to go that route rather than wasting 6 overall on a likely non-franchise QB.

 

Only if Darnold goes out though, which I hope the Browns come around on as they could use him for the games that Watson is suspended without having to deal with the distraction of Baker. They are in the same position with Baker as us with Darnold, fully guaranteed 5th year option. So releasing him does nothing and clearly no teams want to trade for him. Would make sense for them to just eat the cap hit this year on Darnold and for us to take a chance on a different QB that is no risk since we already have Sam's cap hit anyways. That swap makes sense to me. But no indications that it could realistically happen.

Edited April 15, 2022 by t96

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

The way I see it is any QB trade including Darnold would be fine with me. Any QB trade not including Darnold is unacceptable.

 

I think with an upgraded OL (need to hit on LT in the draft and have our FA guys show they were worth those deals) that a Jimmy G or Baker M could get us into a wildcard slot, IF McAdoo can show he's the real deal as an o coordinator and Rhule shows some progress as a HC. Yes, a lot of big IFs there, but I prefer trying to go that route rather than wasting 6 overall on a likely non-franchise QB.

 

Only if Darnold goes out though, which I hope the Browns come around on as they could use him for the games that Watson is suspended without having to deal with the distraction of Baker. They are in the same position with Baker as us with Darnold, fully guaranteed 5th year option. So releasing him does nothing and clearly no teams want to trade for him. Would make sense for them to just eat the cap hit this year on Darnold and for us to take a chance on a different QB that is no risk since we already have Sam's cap hit anyways. That swap makes sense to me. But no indications that it could realistically happen.

Jimmy G getting us to a wildcard spot with Rhule and company...

[Riverboat Ron]

The pick will be Malik Willis if he’s there at #6. Jimmy G is the backup plan.

[Growl]

I’m honestly curious how many times an nfl team could make the same mistake in a row

[Lurk21]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Jimmy G could be a perfect fit for our current status quo if we're looking to spend significant resources on a bad veteran QB on our way to a five win season.

I concur bro!! If we going that route, might as well roll Sam back out and suffer without the resources  being  wasted. 

[EgoDogg]

50 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Alright.  Say Jimmy G wins the job and has about 9 wins on the season.  Then what?

Then we have our first winning season in about half a decade and I have some hope for the future. And I'd totally be ready to eat crow about not wanting Garoppolo.

[Jmac]

Nope. Especially coming off surgery on his throwing shoulder. Don't think so.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

I’m honestly curious how many times an nfl team could make the same mistake in a row

It won't be the "same" mistake if we're not giving up draft capital. It's not really even the same with a little draft capital and Darnold's contract. It would be horrific--absurd to trade for him, give up draft capital, and keep Darnold's contract on the books. But we can't realistically afford that so I'm not too worried.

[davos]

17 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I wonder if everyone on this forum realize that landing a top QB in a draft doesnt mean you HAVE to have a losing season the year prior.... every year a team or two trades up to grab a QB. If your roster is good enough, you do it. 

Bills did it.
Chiefs did it.
49ers did it.
Ravens did it.

 

 

Agree.

The best current crop of QBs went into solid foundations that had been built a year (or few years) prior.  Those teams identified the guy they wanted and pursued him with building around him in mind.    

Bills were year 2 with the new regime, having drafted Dion Dawkins (1 pick ahead of Moton), Trevarious White, Matt Milano the year prior.  Had a lot of good parts building up, higher pick in the draft but came after Baker and Darnold lol.

Chiefs had a full Andy Reid team assembled for Mahomes.  Solid foundation, not a top pick.   

Chargers had been growing the D around Bosa and solid weapons in place to let Herbert into.  Didn't have to tank for him.  

Lamar went late 1st to an already good team.

An exception being in CIN where Duke Tobin had taken back the reigns circa Carson Palmer/Ocho/TJ days and was lucky enough to land Burrow after a previous year setup.  People were expecting Taylor to have had a much better 1st season than he did 

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And zeroing in on the discussion, 49ers went for it all after they had proven to have the rest of the team in order.  That squad has made it to the NFCC game twice without a legit QB (Jimmy G, who's the guy in discussion preventing us from drafting a top QB haha)

Just keep building and find your guy.  It sucks because, well this coaching staff sucks and should have been fired.  But that means I'd rather keep building the foundation for the next regime.  The thing that sucks is that this should have been their first year.  Just don't mortgage any 2023s or pushover anymore 2023 cap.  Those are the two rules.