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Joe Person: Panthers and Baker Mayfield: Minicamp could boost trade talks with Browns


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If they get a look at Corral in mini-camp and it leaves them thinking... "ain't no way this kid is gonna be ready anytime soon" then yeah, I could see it.

The thing is that if we pick up the phone to call the Browns after mini-camp, them they know this too. Then again, negotiating from a weak position has kinda been the Panthers' MO for years now.

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People are still talking about the Browns cutting Baker and it's silly.  There is literally zero benefit to doing so.  NONE.  They will pay him to not report before they do that.  It's like us cutting Darnold . . . we know we don't want him, but why would we cut him?  No benefit.

Best case scenario for the Panthers is that the Browns decide "Hey, Baker has done a lot for the franchise, let's just swap QB's; Mayfield for Darnold".  Both teams want their QB out, both teams on the hook for the same money.  That swap is the only thing remotely beneficial for both players.

Which still doesn't mean it will happen.

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13 hours ago, PandaMan said:

I think they’ll cut him, too.  It’s obvious he won’t play for them anymore and they rolled out, steam cleaned, beat it with a stick and dry cleaned the red carpet for Deshaun Watson to come on in.  Their hands are tied with Baker and it’s their own doing.  I’m really curious to see where he goes 

If he is cut I would assume he would try to sign with the Seahawks. 
They are still a playoff caliber team with a decent QB. 
No reason for him to sign with us. 

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Here is the rub with Mayfield--if you trade a pick for him, he is likely gone in a year.  If you keep him, he will demand $30-40 million and you have a QB that lacks the ability to make you great.  So you prolong the inevitable.  Meanwhile, your development of Corral goes to the back burner.  To me, unless you trade Darnold for Mayfield in an even swap, there is little upside to bringing in Mayfield.  And that is without getting into his locker room toxicity. 

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

If Corral can’t be ready soon then we likely need a 2023 QB so F the vet QB crap like Teddy and just tank it and roll over as much as you can. Mayfield doesn’t make us a SB contender, so why do year 3 of the same poo? The fact that we are even entertaining Mayfield at this point is frustrating. Knowing us we’d extend him before the season to make him feel better and then realize we max a mistake and release him in 2023 paying him $35M total for one year. SMH. 

Yeah but you also aren't about to get fired. Rhule is.

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12 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Again, piss or get off the pot. If Corral isn’t the answer and we know it already then time to go for the staff. That would mean that the 2022 draft wasn’t any better than 2021 and we are going to waste yet another year of rebuild. Most rebuilding teams have lots of picks and lots of cap. We somehow have neither after 15 wins in 3 years. Time to sink the ship and start over with the best QBs in 2023. Tepper needs to grow some brass balls and clean house, find some NFL smarts and find a proper coach and staff. Maybe that’s after the tank but you can’t let us screw up another chance at a good QB class like we did with Teddy.

If Corral is the answer then phew, maybe we can escape the poo fest we’ve been in the past few years. 

Yeah, I mean a logical move would be to start Corral(unless he is just a disaster in camp) and figure it all out, with the safety net of the 2023 draft.

But the ratio of smart to dumb moves is pretty heavily tilted towards dumb under the Tepper/Rhule era.

I suspect we will end up with Baker and he will easily win the starting job. Which, he is due for another good season, so we'll probably win 7-9 games and then sign him to a massive, long term deal. Bcuz Panthers.

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2 minutes ago, stirs said:

Person, like everyone else this time if year, needs something to talk about.  Baker is the low hanging fruit throughout the league.

I imagine the talks have been fairly steady. We don't know how serious the Panthers are but Fitterer/FO staying in contact is a smart idea. If you can get Baker for relative nickels and/or unload Darnold, it's wise to keep having these discussions.

I definitely don't think this is a fake story. Too much smoke for there not to be fire. We just don't know how big the fire is or if it's actually still burning.

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I imagine the talks have been fairly steady. We don't know how serious the Panthers are but Fitterer/FO staying in contact is a smart idea. If you can get Baker for relative nickels and/or unload Darnold, it's wise to keep having these discussions.

I definitely don't think this is a fake story. Too much smoke for there not to be fire. We just don't know how big the fire is or if it's actually still burning.

Right? I mean right now we have Sam Darnold and a 3rd round rookie. I would hope we would have mild interest in most QBs that are possibly available. 

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