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Would you trade 9 for Fields - straight up?

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, Bears have indicated their pick is for sale.  So there is a pick that can be had at the very top.  Would Carolina pay the price?  I doubt it. 

There also are about 5 teams ahead of us that need a future QB as well.  Bears would probably prefer to deal whoever is further down though.  Because the haul will be more insane.  And those teams ahead of us could drive up the price to make the Lance trade seem modest lol. 

Best case scenario, is Stroud and Young get hammered by the NFL machine like most Ohio State and Bama QBs have been. 

The Bears will get a hall for that pick and we cannot even entertain trading for that pick. Had we say, traded someone for some 1st round picks we could be in the driver's seat. But muh defense needs a star. I got news for them, they still don't have a star.

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17 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

To move up you first have to have a trade partner.  What do you do if you cannot get someone to trade with you? You cannot go into the draft counting on trading up. I certainly hope they have a better plan than "we are trading up". There better be a plan B and C in place before the drfat starts. I'm telling you this trade up idea is a pipedream. 

Agree.  I think we have a "max package" we will give for a QB we like IE Stroud.  That's Plan A. Plan B would be hope one of the big 4 fall to 9.  Plan C is probably get a playmaker at 9 or move down, and look at a 2nd/3rd round guy like McKee or Tune.  That's just an example on the top of my head.  Obviously much brighter minds than mine will be running this show....

Unfortunately I think we are going to look at Carr once he gets released as well.  I don't know where that would rank and that could completely change everything.  

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39 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, Bears have indicated their pick is for sale.  So there is a pick that can be had at the very top.  Would Carolina pay the price?  I doubt it. 

There also are about 5 teams ahead of us that need a future QB as well.  Bears would probably prefer to deal whoever is further down though.  Because the haul will be more insane.  And those teams ahead of us could drive up the price to make the Lance trade seem modest lol. 

Best case scenario, is Stroud and Young get hammered by the NFL machine like most Ohio State and Bama QBs have been. 

From the Bears' perspective, they need a lot on offense, any concerns about Fields aside.  They have the #1 pick, then don't pick again until #56.  They are going to want draft picks, and a lot of them both this year and next.

I don't put a lot of stock in mock drafts, but here is one on NFL.com that shows a scenario that would have them trading to #2 (Houston) and then #4 (Indy) and winding up with the that #4, a high picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds this year, and Houston's 1st plus Indy's 2nd and 3rd rounders next year.  I could see something like that playing out.  I didn't pay much attention to who he thinks each team will pick, but the trade scenarios he outlined are about what I think could happen.

As @CRA said, if the Bears are willing to slide further down a bit, the haul will get bigger and that could very well happen.  Point is, I think the odds of them actually selecting #1 are slim.  I think the odds of us selecting with their #1 pick are only slightly less slim.  The above mock has us moving up to #5 and taking Levis.

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3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

They have pretty much said the first pick is for sale?

https://theathletic.com/4077433/2023/01/10/bears-justin-fields-ryan-poles-nfl-draft/?amp=1

The Bears are hedging big time though. They made trade the first overall pick which is what they should do, especially if they plan to keep Fields, but that's not exactly an admittance that they're looking to trade Fields.

Will Young or Stroud blow Poles away? I doubt it. But, you never know. 

To be honest, I'd absolutely love to see them trade Fields because of all the implications and potential drama and talking points for years to come.

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The Bears are hedging big time though. They made trade the first overall pick which is what they should do, especially if they plan to keep Fields, but that's not exactly an admittance that they're looking to trade Fields.

Will Young or Stroud blow Poles away? I doubt it. But, you never know. 

To be honest, I'd absolutely love to see them trade Fields because of all the implications and potential drama and talking points for years to come.

It's about as clear as it gets this time of year.  They are "sticking with Fields" and "not planning on using the pick on a QB."  I mean what else can he say?  

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22 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I assume you haven't watched him at all.

 

Dude is running for his life every other play. Then he has no WR's or TE's to throw to. Bears are just a bad team overall. Can't really judge him until he actually get some weapons and a Oline.

 

He could throw well at Ohio State. Im willing to bet he would improve on a team with actual good players.

I’ve watched him some in the NFL, and I watched him at OSU extensively. Wasn’t overly impressed then, nothing has changed that.  Not judging him til he gets some weapons is a fair idea, however I don’t want to risk the cost to get him when he has two years of tape and still unable to make a judgement.  If he was a FA?  Sure.  But I’d MUCH rather go hard after Stroud, who in the same situation at OSU looked MUCH better. 

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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Im assuming Stroud is off the board if they are trading Fields though.

 

Maybe. Maybe they draft Young and Houston really wanted Young so they trade down and we can get Stroud.  Far fetched, I know. Even in that case, I’d probably rather Richardson or Levis than spending #9 on Fields. I didn’t like him in that draft and he hasn’t shown any improvement since, whether that’s the fault of the team around him or not the point remains he hasn’t shown he can be a good passer.  He might have had stats in college but he didn’t pass the eye test, he didn’t read the field and he didn’t throw with anticipation or particularly good accuracy.  All he showed was that he could throw it in the vicinity of his receivers.  Need more than that in the NFL.  That’s why I’m so high on Stroud, he did show all those things in college. Reading the field, ball placement, anticipation. 

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