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Per Rich Eisen: “The Bears are long down the road to trading the first overall pick. The teams have been identified, compensation is being hammered out.”

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5 hours ago, Brent Gregory said:

In a very bad qb  year this is the nightmare unfolding before our eyes. The most polished qb is a little person and the most gifted athlete can't hit a broad side of a barn. The other 2 aren't remotely worth giving up future needed picks. Letting Carr get away left Carolina in a horrible situation.  Now they're gonna franchise the future for a qb who most likely will go down the road of Darnold, Fields, Mayfield etc....

You are probably one of those guys that thinks we need to resign Cam. 

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1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

That and having 2 WR1s.

Yeah, hard to use the Bengals as a FA example when they took Higgins with an early 2nd in Burrow’s draft and Chase early in the 1st the next year. If we trade up, we’d basically be forfeiting Higgins, Chase and the following year’s first.

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It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with the number 1 pick, the Panthers, or anything else.

I can see both the idea of trading up, picks be damned, for a franchise changer QB.  I can also see being patient and waiting for the draft to come to them.

I have no clue what will happen.  This is a really good staff, so I'm curious to see if they are willing to bet their jobs on CJ Stroud, Will Levis or Anthony Richardson...

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4 minutes ago, d-dave said:

It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with the number 1 pick, the Panthers, or anything else.

I can see both the idea of trading up, picks be damned, for a franchise changer QB.  I can also see being patient and waiting for the draft to come to them.

I have no clue what will happen.  This is a really good staff, so I'm curious to see if they are willing to bet their jobs on CJ Stroud, Will Levis or Anthony Richardson...

They are shopping for a QB, and if they all agree on one, they will go get him and the price will be what they will pay.  So I agree.

I think there is already a sign that we like a QB in this draft because we did not really pursue Carr and we have not shown Darnold interest.  I think they have a guy---or two---or three that they feel comfortable with.

And to all of you who have dismissed Young because he is small--Doug Flutie was this size.  Kyler Murray is this size.  Russell Wilson is 5'11. Sonny Jurgeson was 5'11.  Not many to choose from, but the new NFL may not depend on height as much as we are conditioned to think.  While they may not be the most successful QBs in the league, I guess the point is, it has been done, but the population size is rather small (pun intended).

FWIW, Reich and McCown are 6' 4".

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Another addendum to my excellent points about short QBs: Escapabilty matters--can the QB break out of a collapsing pocket and make a play?  Young has proven to be excellent at this, as is Russell Wilson.

Brees was 6 feet tall at best, and not really that good at breaking away from the pocket and making plays--although he did it to us it seems.  He was very good at avoiding pressure within the pocket.  Young has shown that ability as well.

Here is a good article about it:  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-qb1-why-bryce-youngs-size-shouldnt-scare-away-nfl-suitors

If you remember, the Saints are part of the reason Guard and Center salaries skyrocketed in free agency--they started paying them.  Brees was not getting out of the pocket much, and facial pressure was his Achilles' heel--he was excellent at stepping up into the pocket to avoid edge rushers. Their tackles, as a result, would protect inside out.  Their RBs pass protected the same way--inside out, not as worried about the edge as most.  Our OL seems better (but not as good as the Saints was in Brees reign).

 

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11 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

They are shopping for a QB, and if they all agree on one, they will go get him and the price will be what they will pay.  So I agree.

I think there is already a sign that we like a QB in this draft because we did not really pursue Carr and we have not shown Darnold interest.  I think they have a guy---or two---or three that they feel comfortable with.

And to all of you who have dismissed Young because he is small--Doug Flutie was this size.  Kyler Murray is this size.  Russell Wilson is 5'11. Sonny Jurgeson was 5'11.  Not many to choose from, but the new NFL may not depend on height as much as we are conditioned to think.  While they may not be the most successful QBs in the league, I guess the point is, it has been done, but the population size is rather small (pun intended).

FWIW, Reich and McCown are 6' 4".

It’s the weight in todays football most people are concerned with. Not the height. He’s tiny. He weighed in at 203 or 204 and didn’t run any drills because that’s not his playing weight and didn’t want his numbers to suffer. At 190 pounds he’s got the be the smallest starting QB by a wide margin. The types of tackles he spins out of in college he’s not getting out of in the NFL and those plays are going to sing him up. 

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7 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Fitt said in his presser at the combine that they have been in contact with Darnold and his agent. 

 TY.  Frankly, that is probably a smart move.  He is young and could still develop.  At worst, he is a bridge.  I would say that the team learned how to use him last year with Wilks.   Not the way that makes you a super bowl team, but in a way that you don't beat yourselves against similar opponents.

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1 minute ago, Varking said:

It’s the weight in todays football most people are concerned with. Not the height. He’s tiny. He weighed in at 203 or 204 and didn’t run any drills because that’s not his playing weight and didn’t want his numbers to suffer. At 190 pounds he’s got the be the smallest starting QB by a wide margin. The types of tackles he spins out of in college he’s not getting out of in the NFL and those plays are going to sing him up. 

It bothers me too.  In my head I was thinking 204 (Brees was 209 I think) but he was in perfect place to gain weight before the combine.  at 190, yikes. 

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