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Panthers reworking Shaq's Deal

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11 hours ago, frankw said:

I like Shaq. Doesn't mean I have to ignore the warning sign of us investing in an aging linebacker again. Anybody who says something you don't like is a pathetic troll huh? Staying up until 1 am to defend Shaq's honor because you want to look good in case he reads these posts doesn't make you superior. Welcome to real life.

🤣 You still won't address the fact that your are wrong about Shaq's injury history. And it's not that I didn't like it, it's that you knowingly lied which makes you a sniveling troll. I often don't agree with posters (isn't that what the Huddle is for?) but their opinions don't make any of them trolls. The fact that you LIED makes you a troll.

And, what! You're now stalking me? BTW "1 am" Saturday was actually "2 am" American time. And you responded quickly lol. Welcome to real life.

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12 hours ago, MHS831 said:

that is fine--that is an opinion and you did not attack someone else for having one.   I agree, but we are still going to need a starting LB if we cut Shaq, and he seems to know the locker room and is trusted by members of the organization, for what that's worth.  I thought his contract was a bit excessive when signed, but considering the circumstances and where we are now, I get this move--I would not have been in position to have to make it, but I HATE creating dead cap and we are like second in the NFL in that category--like the player or not, dead cap cripples the team more.

By the way, I am of the mindset that you should never have a RB on a second contract---like in college, bring them in, keep them for 4 years, and when they age out, ship them out.  The reason?  At 26 the RB is in his prime.  At 27, they start declining (there is research on this).  by 30, they are usually ineffective (there are exceptions).  Few ever earn their second contract. 

As a general rule, I tend to agree. But, it's not always so cut and dry. I think the decison to go for a 2nd contract depends on two things:

1) The talent of the back. Some guys are just in a class by themselves. Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, John Riggins, Adrian Peterson, Curtis Martin. Emmitt Smith, and Barry Sanders all had 1,000 yard seasons after the age of 30. It would have made sense to extend them after their 4th year in the league when they were in the 25-27 age range. If they were playing today I'd definitely front load the deal so the cap numbers would be lower at the end of the contract just in case the inevitable drop off began prior to 30.

2) The number of carries/hits they've had. Years ago a couple of guys did a studies on the decline of RB's. They found it wasn't necessarily the age that caused the decline, but the number of carries the RB had. 

a) Most backs who get 370 carries in a season tend to experience a huge drop off the following year.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1271412-why-and-when-do-nfl-running-backs-start-to-decline#:~:text=The Curse of 370&text=A running back with 370,he is named Eric Dickerson.

b) When a back reaches 1,800 carries for a career there will often be a drastic drop off over the next two seasons.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/4940/measuring-nfl-running-back-longevity-falling-off-the-1-800-carry-cliff

A great back who averages 250 carries a year or less has a good chance of being productive for 7-8 seasons in the NFL before a drastic decline occurs.

NOTE: If the average age for back is 21-23 upon entering the league and he starts his rookie year, that does seem to coincide with the age 30-31 drop off point. The ideal situation seems to be finding a great back after the 1st round and extending him after the 3rd year (if he turns out to be elite) so the second contract ends before he reaches the 1800 carry/age 30 threshold. Or, getting a stud in round one and keeping him for the length of the 5 year deal, then franchising him for a season (or two) and have a replacement ready by the time he hits 28.

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1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Bringing Shaq back solves what would’ve been another immediate downgrade.

He’s not the best LB, but he’s been more than serviceable and his teammates admire him. He’s also a pretty reliable dude on and off the field. 

This. He’s a motivator, high motor, coach type of player. Love him staying.

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13 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

🤣 You still won't address the fact that your are wrong about Shaq's injury history. And it's not that I didn't like it, it's that you knowingly lied which makes you a sniveling troll. I often don't agree with posters (isn't that what the Huddle is for?) but their opinions don't make any of them trolls. The fact that you LIED makes you a troll.

And, what! You're now stalking me? BTW "1 am" Saturday was actually "2 am" American time. And you responded quickly lol. Welcome to real life.

I didn't say he was injured last season but he has missed games previously and he's approaching the age where many linebackers struggle with this. I'm sorry discussing this has you so angry and triggered but at the end of the day it's a business. The Carolina Panthers have long overinvested in defense and let the offense make something out of nothing. Now we are not only resetting completely on offense we have no leaders no clear #1 #2 or maybe even #3 WR no real threat at TE. This regime has their work cut out for them in surrounding our new rookie QB with a great supporting cast. It can be done it won't be easy. I'm glad you get to rejoice about continuing to pay your favorite linebacker but also remember our defense took a beating last season in some of those final games. If this team is going to return to relevancy it will be through our offense.

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