Kaye's X-Factor: System Fit

[Icege]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll give you three guesses why

Huddle gonna Huddle.

I genuinely don't understand why the debate between Stroud/Young gets as heated as it does.

We knew going into the offseason that there was no "perfect" QB candidate. We knew that Stroud had a great game against Georgia, but what he did while under pressure in that game was the polar opposite of what he's looked like. We knew that Young hadn't suffered any substantial injuries to date, but that doesn't mean he'll be as lucky in the NFL when it's a matter of when as opposed to if you'll get hurt.

Like... here we are, in a situation as fans, where we're going to get a franchise QB with either of those guys and yet we still have people making accounts so that they can defend a prospect's honor or (arguably worse) posters going out of their way to demonize folks for supporting a particular QB.

I'm glad that it keeps what little ad revenue there is going, but yeesh... are folks that bored?

Edited April 3, 2023 by Icege

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, Icege said:

Huddle gonna Huddle.

I genuinely don't understand why the debate between Stroud/Young gets as heated as it does.

We knew going into the offseason that there was no "perfect" QB candidate. We knew that Stroud had a great game against Georgia, but what he did while under pressure in that game was the polar opposite of what he's looked like. We knew that Young hadn't suffered any substantial injuries to date, but that doesn't mean he'll be as lucky in the NFL when it's a matter of when as opposed to if you'll get hurt.

Like... here we are, in a situation as fans, where we're going to get a franchise QB with either of those guys and yet we still have people making accounts so that they can defend a prospect's honor or (arguably worse) posters going out of their way to demonize folks for supporting a particular QB.

I'm glad that it keeps what little ad revenue there is going, but yeesh... are folks that bored?

I don't think it's the debate that gets heated so much as some of the people involved in it.

(generally for silly reasons)

[ladypanther]

26 minutes ago, Icege said:

I genuinely don't understand why the debate between Stroud/Young gets as heated as it does.

Every debate seems to get heated around here.

[SmokinwithWilly]

13 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Every debate seems to get heated around here.

DOES NOT!!

[ladypanther]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

DOES NOT!!

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Martin said:

I have to disagree. Stroud is considered the best passer by almost everyone in terms of accuracy, ball placement, effortless arm strength (vs. Young) etc. Most people think that is what Reich values the most, hence best fit.

Well, I'm really not sure what you're disagreeing with. I acknowledged Stroud's accuracy. People have noted his ball placement as well as his ball strength (versus every QB including Young). But you know what? Young is still considered the better and more complete QB from a purely football perspective by most. 

Now as far as Frank Reich, you said that most "think" he is what Reich values most and that makes him a better fit. Not one person has really given anything more than lip service--a guess based on what they consider Reich values most, not what he has said that he values most. In fact, during his initial presser, he mentioned throwing from the pocket when necessary, but he also said (when asked) that we know where the league is heading in terms of a QB who can do things outside the pocket. So...who he actually prefers and who will be better for what he envisions going forward is still anyone's guess.

[SmokinwithWilly]

I have to say at this point I'm pretty impressed at how well the staff has kept this all tight lipped. Not sure who else remembers a few years ago when Will Grier as our 3rd round comp pick was all over the place several weeks before the draft even took place

[CashNewton22]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be clear, the guys making the pick aren't really going to be all that concerned with what happens to the team if they're fired.

(and why should they be?)

They're going to be making the pick that they feel is best for them. And realistically, that's what they should do.

As far as ability, if they don't feel like there's a huge difference in that, why not take the guy they have to make fewer adjustments for?

If the difference is minimal and they just say screw it let’s go with Stroud I’m more than cool with that (I’m actually ok with taking Bryce Stroud or AR at 1 tbh) however if one is a full tier below the other….and if it’s common knowledge within the front office that Bryce is a decent bit better than CJ I’m willing to bet anything that Tepper “influences” them to take Bryce or AR or whomever they deem to be the overall best. Just my read of it.

[Mike in Raleigh]

5 hours ago, Stuart Smith said:

I will just be glad when it’s over. 

Absolutely.  All of this  bickering  back and forth is tiresome.  Just make the pick and roll with it. The coaches are going to make the call and there's not a damn thing anyone  here says that's going  to make a difference. 

[CPantherKing]

7 hours ago, Jaxel said:

I would probably take the better QB. Coaches change, but a great QB can transcend any system.

A great QB from the 1st round that has been able to transcend any system?

So, that would be...

Great coaches have proven they can produce more championship QBs than great QBs have proven they can produce championship coaches.

Start with Joe Gibbs with Jim Hart, Dan Fouts, Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Bill Walsh with Ken Anderson, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, and Steve Young. Mike Holmgren with Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck. Andy Reid with Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, and Patrick Mahomes.

Better success with a great coach and a non-1st round QB. Use the 1st round pick on a generational playmaking talent like Will Anderson, an impact player out of the gates like Jalen Carter, or a freakish WR that will be a playmaker in year one like Quentin Johnston.

[Jackie Lee]

 

[mrcompletely11]

Damn that is a tiny mofo

[Toker Smurf]

9 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

It is so incredibly unwise the take the lesser talent because he fits the current system knowing that the current staff could be gone in 3 years...then what?

That would be an incredibly shortsighted decision if they believed Young was the better player but took CJ because it "fits" Reich system better. No serious Org would ever do that. 

I believe if they take CJ, they legit believe is or will be better than Bryce. Any other reason will be a massive failure!

Coaches' job is to put their best players into the best situations.

The current staff is making the pick , though. If Reich fails, Fitterer is probably gone too. You want Tepper making the pick with the next potential coach in mind?

[Ivory Panther]

1 minute ago, Toker Smurf said:

The current staff is making the pick , though. If Reich fails, Fitterer is probably gone too. You want Tepper making the pick with the next potential coach in mind?

No! U take the best player & it’s up to any coach to put them in the best situation to win.

if ur coaching staff can’t put the best player in position to reach his full potential, u got the wrong staff anyway.

unless the player has character or current health concerns, u don’t give him up to ur competition.

That shouldn’t even be up for debate for any org that wants to consistently win.