The Real Reason Bryce Being the Pick Scares Me - He'll be the Marvin Lewis of QB's

[Tr3ach]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Yea, I know, another thread, but I don't think this is something I've seen discussed much on here and it's been rattling around in my head while I wait for the finale of The Mandalorian to drop here in a few minutes.  

I'm afraid Bryce will be the Marvin Lewis of QB's due to his size and it will put us in NFL purgatory for the next decade, which is SOOO much worse than just missing on a QB draft pick and needing to start over in 3-4 years with a new one.

If he flops for being the top pick, it won't be because he's terrible, it will be because he can't stay healthy for full seasons, and likely is hurt later in the season as the wear and tear builds and would miss playoff games, such as Lamar the last few years.

He'll be too good of a QB to just let walk in Free Agency, but his injury problems won't make him an attractive trade candidate either, and we'll be stuck with a QB who only is able to play 10-12 games a year.  He'll be good enough in those games that we are Wild Card contenders each year, making it some, missing it in others, but maybe never being legit title contenders if he can't be fully healthy come January and leaving us pick in the early 20's each draft as well.

That's basically what Marvin Lewis was to the Bengals as a coach, he was too good for them to fire, but not good enough when it mattered and they couldn't make playoff runs with him.  It was a terrible situation for them to be in for a long time, and I'm convinced that will happen with Bryce and whatever team drafts him.  Which is why I prefer Stroud, equally high upside, with I think a higher floor, but if he flops we'll know and be able to move on from him faster/easier than with the way Young will "flop" in my mind.

I can't lie that I'm intrigued by Young's mental side of things, the thing that stood out to me the most was that they would give him 2 plays to call in the huddle and he'd make the play call at the line, that's an NFL thing, not in college, in college the players all look back to the sideline for the final call.  But Stroud is too good of a prospect for me to take the risk on the above scenario, which I think is the most likely outcome for Bryce's career.

Basically what you said is exactly how I feel about Stroud.  Stroud is clearly the higher floor safer pick, Young has a higher ceiling and lower floor imo.

[BrisbanePanther]

20 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

did you get this when you did your personal interviews with him?

Must have been an interview with the Reverse Bryce, Ecyrb, because I didn't pick that up at all in the Clark interview. On the contrary, he sees football as "his thing" indeed, and his family picked up on that at an early age (his dad said "at 4 months") and focused on putting him in position to succeed.

[Aussie Tank]

33 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

did you get this when you did your personal interviews with him?

I think it was shrooms and he was interviewing a fence post 

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

For those who know Bryce Young's philosophy and his family, you understand you are getting a QB who will exit the NFL early like an Andrew Luck. Not because he has to, but because he has had his fill of football and wants to open his next chapter in life.

You are not getting a 10 to 20 year QB mentality with Young. You are getting the short king for a short ride who will play the game the way he sees fit until he has had his fill and football loses it's fun. That philosophy is great for HS and college, but it won't hold up to fighting through the tough times in the NFL to be the best when the game becomes a grind and a job that requires the perseverance to push through no matter the cost for the betterment of the team to be the best of the best in a game that means nothing in the big picture of life.

It takes a certain type of player and mind to achieve a franchise QB level like Brady, Manning, Montana, Unitas, Staubach, and Favre.

Young is not that personality/mindset.

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Bryce can keep a play alive but, ultimately, I think you want the guy that consistently provides elite ball placement by hitting receivers in stride or dropping the ball in places where only the receiver has a shot at the ball.  CJ Stroud is that guy.  I personally will be SHOCKED if you do NOT take Stroud.

 

On another note, a Yahoo guy has Young, Richardson, and Levis going 1,2, & 3.  Lol.  That guy is on acid.  

Prepare to be shocked. 

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

Man we're really starting to have to stretch for reasons to not draft him.

 

 

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

For those who know Bryce Young's philosophy and his family, you understand you are getting a QB who will exit the NFL early like an Andrew Luck. Not because he has to, but because he has had his fill of football and wants to open his next chapter in life.

You are not getting a 10 to 20 year QB mentality with Young. You are getting the short king for a short ride who will play the game the way he sees fit until he has had his fill and football loses it's fun. That philosophy is great for HS and college, but it won't hold up to fighting through the tough times in the NFL to be the best when the game becomes a grind and a job that requires the perseverance to push through no matter the cost for the betterment of the team to be the best of the best in a game that means nothing in the big picture of life.

It takes a certain type of player and mind to achieve a franchise QB level like Brady, Manning, Montana, Unitas, Staubach, and Favre.

Young is not that personality/mindset.

[WUnderhill]

So, you don’t want him because you think he won’t be able to stay healthy? Yep super original and definitely needed it’s own thread.

[LegioX]

I heard is left toe is bigger than the right….

[gmonjimbo]

1 hour ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Bryce can keep a play alive but, ultimately, I think you want the guy that consistently provides elite ball placement by hitting receivers in stride or dropping the ball in places where only the receiver has a shot at the ball.  CJ Stroud is that guy.  I personally will be SHOCKED if you do NOT take Stroud.

 

On another note, a Yahoo guy has Young, Richardson, and Levis going 1,2, & 3.  Lol.  That guy is on acid.  

With all that elite ball placement and talent at OSU. Can you point us to the one signature win, CJ had for your Buckeyes? Did you beat Michigan, Win BIG 10, or go to Championship game? 

The OP comments is actually my concern about Stroud. His lack of off-schedule plays and primarily stationary style of play will be enough to take you to the divisional round or wildcard but when playoff games are decided by 7 points or less, CJ doesn't make the requisite plays. The AFC championship game was decided by 4 points, the SB by 3. 

 

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

I just watch tape of him and Stroud and scratch my head wondering how anyone on this planet could think he's the guy to pick. Size aside, to think Young is going to be able to stand back there for 3+ seconds every single snap in the NFL is absolutely laughable.  The dude had an almost comically clean pocket at Alabama.  Brady-esque.  Not going to happen on the Panthers.

[Mother Grabber]

5 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

I just watch tape of him and Stroud and scratch my head wondering how anyone on this planet could think he's the guy to pick. Size aside, to think Young is going to be able to stand back there for 3+ seconds every single snap in the NFL is absolutely laughable.  The dude had an almost comically clean pocket at Alabama.  Brady-esque.  Not going to happen on the Panthers.

there are plenty of examples that show him escaping pressure, keeping a play alive when the pocket breaks down, and hitting a receiver in broken plays. 

[TheCasillas]

I really hope we draft a QB this year

[Eric4280]

4 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

I would think the robotic pocket passer would be more likely to keep us in purgatory ala Jared Goff 

THANK YOU. First round exit ceiling.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

Hopefully the Panthers FO is performing due diligence that includes reading this message board.  There are so many warnings, well thought out points and rational conclusions regarding the QBs and would hate for them to miss out on such sage advice.