NFL insider: Brian Burns' extension could be close to Myles Garrett's deal

[mrcompletely11]

37 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Burns is the best we have for sure and not a bad player at all but I dont think we can compare him to Julius Peppers. He was something else all together and a freak of nature that teams had to plan for and QB's would have to watch out for on every play. We will probably have to overpay for Burns when the time comes unfortunately. I just dont see how we can comp[are Burns to Peppers at all. Pepp is hall of fame, Burns is good but I dont see him currently as hall of fame or on a hall of fame track per say

Mono took out peppers for a season and a half.  Pep was in another stratosphere when he was on.    

[panthers55]

Burns is what? 25. He isn't elite but he is a good pass rusher and is learning to be much better against the run.  He is a probowler and will get paid as such. As long as we manage the guaranteed money we can pay him a boatload which he will see if he keeps improving or may not see all of it if he drops off.  I wish more contracts were incentive based.

[LinvilleGorge]

Peppers is literally one of the best defensive players in the history of the game. It's okay if Burns isn't Peppers. Very, VERY few are at that level.

I'm really hoping the new scheme will free him up even more. 

[KSpan]

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Burns is the 2nd best DE in Panthers history. Let that sink in.

 

You haters need to relax and find another player to hate on. Burns ain't going anywhere might as well embrace him.

No he's not, at least not totally. He's the second most athletic and maybe someday that translates to a complete package on the field, but not at this point. CJ and Rucker are both above him based on consistency, ability in both the run and pass game, and longevity.

[Ricky Prickles]

20 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Burns is the 2nd best DE in Panthers history. Let that sink in.

 

You haters need to relax and find another player to hate on. Burns ain't going anywhere might as well embrace him.

I dont hate him at all. He is no Peppers but he is a very solid player that we will pay a huge ransom for when he comes due. I dont know any other way around it though as I would not want to lose him even though I wish we didnt have to pay him one of the top DE's in the league.

[jfra78]

2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Burns is the 2nd best DE in Panthers history. Let that sink in.

 

You haters need to relax and find another player to hate on. Burns ain't going anywhere might as well embrace him.

Love Burns and think he deserves to get paid, but atm he is at least 4th, maybe even 5th if you count Reggie White

[Pup McBarky]

7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You haters

[JawnyBlaze]

9 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Burns is the 2nd best DE in Panthers history. Let that sink in.

 

You haters need to relax and find another player to hate on. Burns ain't going anywhere might as well embrace him.

I’m with you in general in this thread but I’d still have to put Burns behind CJ and Hardy and maybe Rucker.  Still plenty of time for him to rise in those ranks though. 

[rayzor]

CJ is very underrated in our history. He was as solid and reliable a DE as you could want...and he got paid as much. well, overpaid, but that was because hurney panicked. 

Hardy has always been a headcase, but the guy was an absolute beast when he kept his poo together enough to stay on the field. 

Burns has a bit to accomplish to surpass these two, but I'm hoping that with this new coaching staff and system that he catapults into Peppers territory.

Ruckers is a legend too. Great counterpart for Peppers. Something we're still needing for Burns. 

[Mistuh Jones]

Great point about Rucker, and yes we def need to find one for Burns. YGM ain't it at all. Hoping that with DJ Johnson's power game and some coaching up he could be. 

[Ricky Spanish]

Remember when Charles Johnson got paid and reset the DE Market? He did pretty well, good enough to almost live up to the contract. 

I think that Burns is better at this point in his career than Johnson was, and I don't think he'll get a contract that resets the market. He's a pro-bowl Pass Rusher. Those guys get paid regardless of who the team is. If we don't give him a contract, someone else will. He's more valuable to us because we have 0 other proven pass rushers on our team. 

The cap is also going up each year. I don't blink at these contracts anymore. We actually have a GM/FO that is capable of working the money into future void years, something Hurney and Gettleman were completely incapable of. 

Pay him a top 5 DE contract this season. Watch that become a top 10 DE contract next offseason. Then watch it become a top 15 contract the next year. By then he still won't even be 30, he'll be 28 and up for a potential extension. 

We may end up overpaying him, but pass rusher is one of the three positions you overpay for, OT and QB being the other two. 

[rayzor]

12 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Pay him a top 5 DE contract this season. Watch that become a top 10 DE contract next offseason. Then watch it become a top 15 contract the next year. By then he still won't even be 30, he'll be 28 and up for a potential extension. 

We may end up overpaying him, but pass rusher is one of the three positions you overpay for, OT and QB being the other two. 

true on all of that. this is one of those contracts you just do because it's a premium position, arguably the most important/valuable next to QB. LT is close behind it. If you've got a top performer, you keep them and pay them accordingly and you know that, like you said, a top 5 paid at the position will be top 10 the next year. same with QB. The market is constantly on the uptick.

[mrcompletely11]

48 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Remember when Charles Johnson got paid and reset the DE Market? He did pretty well, good enough to almost live up to the contract. 

I think that Burns is better at this point in his career than Johnson was, and I don't think he'll get a contract that resets the market. He's a pro-bowl Pass Rusher. Those guys get paid regardless of who the team is. If we don't give him a contract, someone else will. He's more valuable to us because we have 0 other proven pass rushers on our team. 

The cap is also going up each year. I don't blink at these contracts anymore. We actually have a GM/FO that is capable of working the money into future void years, something Hurney and Gettleman were completely incapable of. 

Pay him a top 5 DE contract this season. Watch that become a top 10 DE contract next offseason. Then watch it become a top 15 contract the next year. By then he still won't even be 30, he'll be 28 and up for a potential extension. 

We may end up overpaying him, but pass rusher is one of the three positions you overpay for, OT and QB being the other two. 

And you can always rework it.   The main thing I hope we are conscious of especially in light of the cmac deal is how long and how much guaranteed money is at stake.  He is going to get paid, he has all the leverage we are just hoping its not some crazy ass mega deal that could go sideways as we have seen a ton from this team. 

[panfanman]

On 5/28/2023 at 8:20 PM, CamWhoaaCam said:

And people wonder why we have a weak fanbase.

 

Fans like this who want to get rid of the homegrown talent we built up for some damn picks who we might not hit on like we did with Burns. You don't trade the guys you built up! Those are the guys you keep!

 

How do you expect to build this defense if we trading our most talented player on defense.

 

Make it make sense!

Well 1st of all, I saw the writing on the wall that Cam and CMC could not sustain the physical abuse they were receiving.  I was correct.  2nd, Burns is above average but far from elite. . .best player on the team regardless or not.