Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Bosa deal done. Burns, are you next?

TheCasillas

By TheCasillas,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

carpanfan96 Grand Master

carpanfan96

Posted
Posted

Lots are comparing to recent contracts and you can't do that anymore after Bosa. 

 

Watt, Bosa (both), Garrett, Parsons are all gonna be making 34-38m in a 1-2 years. 

29.5-30m is gonna be what that second tier of pass rushers are going to make now that Bosa has reset the market for edge players. 

 

Burns is clearly in that 2nd group. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
gofightwin Community Regular

gofightwin

Posted
Posted

Here is what I am showing if I am Fitt:

In Bosa's 9 playoff games: 8 sacks, 9 TFL, 34 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and fumble recovery...that' a whole season of stats of Burns in half the time, in the playoffs. 

Not only does Bosa put up stats, he steps it up a notch in must win payoff games.

Big time players show up in big time games. Not just against bad O Lines.

  • Pie 1
  • Poo 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted
31 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Lots are comparing to recent contracts and you can't do that anymore after Bosa. 

 

Watt, Bosa (both), Garrett, Parsons are all gonna be making 34-38m in a 1-2 years. 

29.5-30m is gonna be what that second tier of pass rushers are going to make now that Bosa has reset the market for edge players. 

 

Burns is clearly in that 2nd group. 

There is a 40-60 million guaranteed tier.....and there is a 100 million tier.  Burns is in the 40-60 million tier.  You can even let him reset the top of it like Bosa just did with his tier. 

But Burns isn't worth 100+ guaranteed.   He isn't the complete and dominant player like those that belong there. 

and folks really need to talk about guranteed and not average per year.  Guaranteed is what counts, the rest if window dressing. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted
40 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Lots are comparing to recent contracts and you can't do that anymore after Bosa. 

 

Watt, Bosa (both), Garrett, Parsons are all gonna be making 34-38m in a 1-2 years. 

29.5-30m is gonna be what that second tier of pass rushers are going to make now that Bosa has reset the market for edge players. 

 

Burns is clearly in that 2nd group. 

the 100 million dollar guaranteed tier had already been established.  Bosa didn't just create it. Burns isn't in it. 

and Chubb, Von Miller, Reddick, etc. were all signed to their deals while that upper tier was being established too.  They didn't fit in it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
csx Grand Master

csx

Posted
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

You're supposed to get a break when being on a rookie QB salary, not give all of the rest of that to one guy who has deficiencies.

It allows you to pay other players.  Exactly what we will do

5 or 6 million more over 4 years won't affect anything 

Edited by csx
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Cdparr7 Grand Master

Cdparr7

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

Everyone saying we dont need to pay him what's the alternative at this point? The Rams trade is gone. Try to trade him for a first?

Biggest younger OLB names this year are Josh Allen, Rashan Gary, and Montez Sweat. I'm sure the first 2 will be paid over 20 a year.

You could probably trade him for a first and next years 2nd to replace some of the picks lost to the Bears. You could probably squeeze an average starter out of the deal too.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted
30 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Let it go bro.

 

Burns was worth 40-60 guaranteed 5 years ago.

 

This is 2023 these contracts are only going to get bigger. Just accept the new market. It's not going to kill us to give Burns 100mil guaranteed.

I again, I am pointing to all the recent contracts.   They are what they are.   You ignoring them doesn't mean they don't exist.   There are different tiers. 

Chubb, Von Miller, Reddick.  Those aren't old deals.   Bosa reset the top of a tier that already existed.  That Khalil Mack, his brother were already part of and were setting in recent history.  The 100+ club.  Brian Burns isn't in that tier.  Just a reality.   He is in the tier below.  He should reset the top of that tier. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
Posted
10 hours ago, AU-panther said:

but then the following year more cap hits your books and then you have less to spend in that year.  Saints had several years where they had huge amounts of dead money counting towards their cap. 

I agree most teams, most years, have some slack in their overall cap.  We can free up enough money for Burns, that isn't the question, but there are limits.  This idea that the cap is some myth is just wrong.  Teams just can't pay everyone, you have to decided the best use of your money.

Then you restructure a few guys and get under the cap again like New Orleans did this year to sign Carr.

Again the cap is just a number that teams get around a dozen ways. The idea that you can't manipulate it to get who you want is the myth.  So yeah it isn't the big impediment that you and others here think it is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • SmokinwithWilly
      Dan Morgan on the Rich Eisen show

      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      So he became GM and decided not to address the weakness in the QB room following one of the worst rookie QB performances in NFL history?  There were options last season other than signing Dalton to a 2 year deal. Brissett and Jones by a wide margin, both of whom outplayed Bryce, Wilson, Winston, hell even Rivers off the couch was more exciting at the QB position. The time to address the failure in the QB room was last year but instead people on the Huddle cheered when we brought Dalton back then cheered when we were able to get anything for him after they finally realized he was washed up like a few of had been saying all along and got poo'd for even mentioning.  This year, the options were more limited obviously, especially since we lost Icky. It changed the dynamic of our draft. I think we were stuck this year keeping Bryce, but i still think giving him a 5th year option for what has amounted to replacement worthy performance was the wrong move. Why guarantee 25m if you're planning to replace him? You think he's going to want to be a bridge QB? Hell no. He's going to want out and we'll end up cutting him if he has another lackluster season because no one is trading for him with that price tag.  Were there better options as far as production available. A couple. Were there guys available with more physical tools than Bryce, Pickett or Grier, you damn well better believe there were. I've been saying all along, you always keep looking for your 1b. Bryce has yet to prove he can be a starter. Keep looking for someone who may. Put competition in camp. Let the best QB lead the team. Stop settling for less than mediocre. 
    • Jackson113.2
      Unc Basketball thread

      By Jackson113.2 · Posted

    • strato
      Dan Morgan on the Rich Eisen show

      By strato · Posted

      Reasonable. I mean I didn’t see a clear path to relief this season myself. As I have typed already, I think the QB FA class is more interesting next season and that draft is supposed to be stacked as well. There just weren’t many options this year.  When you have Tepper to contend with you have to tread lightly around this unless you are 100% certain and willIng to stake your job on it.   There were a couple of outings that helped Bryce a lot in terms of  thinking maybe he can do this, and if you are a supporter you are giving them a lot of weight. You are likely to think just get him some more help and he can do that every week. Which I think Tepper falls into that category.  And the playoffs, division champs, regardless of the way I see that, the supporters will also give that a lot of weight.    And the big one, the atmosphere In BOA for that WC game, Tepper had to be soiling himself over that. If you pulled Bryce out right now you had better be right and your new guy had better make the playoffs and look good doing it or you will be gone and your chance to build your old team back into respectability will be gone too.  So here we have Pickett on a one year deal, and Grier and King. I understand it.  
×
×
  • Create New...