Derrick Brown is our Franchise player

[Jay Roosevelt]

No disrespect to Brown, but if this is true then we're fuged.

[t96]

On a team void of franchise players, Brown is our closest thing to it. But he's a DT who doesn't rack up sacks like Aaron Donald (or prime KK). If a new GM and HC decide not to pay him big long term, I wouldn't be upset. 

[Daeavorn]

We absolutely need to keep Brown over Burns if we are forced to choose. I also agree that Luvu needs to be brought back as well. We need to start drafting actual 1 Tech DL now that have some pass rushing ability. 

The secondary seems very difficult to determine. After this season no one should expect Horn to ever be healthy which makes DJax our CB1 which he just isnt quite good enough to do. I think hes a fine CB2.

We need to prioritize IOL, IDL, CB and WR next draft. Probably WR and IOL first id say.

[thennek]

38 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Funny because when he was a rookie, Brown got the same vitriol Bryce gets now.

Fair or unfair I believe Bryce is getting the “vitriol” is due to what the Panthers gave up to get him. A first, two seconds, plus DJ Moore is expensive and this created unrealistic expectations. Think if Bryce was drafted at #9 with no trade up there would be a different narrative on him but also would have had the assets to place a supporting cast around him. 

[BrianS]

I feel like some of us are forgetting the mistake we made with Star and KK.  We paid KK and let Star walk.  The year before we let him walk, our defense 3rd against the run, 15th against the pass and 10th in scoring.  One year later, we were 12th against the run, 15th against the pass and 19th in scoring.

Having that big dude clogging the middle makes your defense better in ways that are very difficult to quantify to a player, but easily seen when looking at the defense as a whole.

[frankw]

Earlier in the season before this offense killed the spirit of the locker room Brown was one of the few Panthers players showing heart and emotion.

He is absolutely part of our future going forward.

[onmyown]

I’ve been hesitant on Brown but this year he has been a mauler. Just tossing anyone aside in his way. I would for sure pay him rather than Burns. Burns is a such a non factor sometimes it’s ridiculous he’s wants to be paid like he consistently makes a difference. I think Brown will be harder to replace in the long run.

[CBDellinger]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Funny because when he was a rookie, Brown got the same vitriol Bryce gets now.

Takes time for players to develop and people grow impatient quickly when a players costs more capital than usual.

 

[Johnstonny]

35 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 I think you can find a player to give you similar production but at much lower cost. If a team offered me a #1 for Brown in the offseason I take that deal in a heart beat .

...we have to quit trading our talent away and getting a low cost option that doesn't pan out... Fitts been doing this his entire tenure here and as you can see it never works out. We just get progressively worse...

[countryboi]

While I agree, you still gonna have to pay Burns and the market dictates that he’s probably worth around 25 to 30 mil

And at this point you can’t let him walk

Edited November 28, 2023 by countryboi

[Panthering]

He is absolutely awesome and my favorite player on this team by a longshot. I'd buy his jersey if I wanted one, but I think those days are past me now. 

[SCO96]

5 minutes ago, Daeavorn said:

We absolutely need to keep Brown over Burns if we are forced to choose. I also agree that Luvu needs to be brought back as well. We need to start drafting actual 1 Tech DL now that have some pass rushing ability. 

The secondary seems very difficult to determine. After this season no one should expect Horn to ever be healthy which makes DJax our CB1 which he just isnt quite good enough to do. I think hes a fine CB2.

We need to prioritize IOL, IDL, CB and WR next draft. Probably WR and IOL first id say.

I agree with everything your post.

Burns isn't worth 30 mil a year based on this season's production. I'd let him go over Brown...IF...I had the interior DL you described above to compliment Brown. In fact, I think Brown's sacks would/could go up if he had another interior guy to bring some pressure.

We need help at all of the positions cited in your post, but I have no faith in the current FO to properly address any of those positions in the 2024 draft, especially without a #1 draft choice. The thought of Fitterer drafting a WR in round two terrifies me after the TMJ and Mingo selections.

[Davidson Deac II]

33 minutes ago, thennek said:

Fair or unfair I believe Bryce is getting the “vitriol” is due to what the Panthers gave up to get him. A first, two seconds, plus DJ Moore is expensive and this created unrealistic expectations. Think if Bryce was drafted at #9 with no trade up there would be a different narrative on him but also would have had the assets to place a supporting cast around him. 

If he was performing well, like a top 10 qb, very few would be complaining. Imo, if he does become a good qb, what we gave up won't really matter. But if he is a bust, very few will forget what we gave up.  

[Daeavorn]

3 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I agree with everything your post.

Burns isn't worth 30 mil a year based on this season's production. I'd let him go over Brown...IF...I had the interior DL you described above to compliment Brown. In fact, I think Brown's sacks would/could go up if he had another interior guy to bring some pressure.

We need help at all of the positions cited in your post, but I have no faith in the current FO to properly address any of those positions in the 2024 draft, especially without a #1 draft choice. The thought of Fitterer drafting a WR in round two terrifies me after the TMJ and Mingo selections.

You aint wrong here. Fitts problem isnt necessarily that hes a bad scout. Its that his personal philosophy on what makes a player a good prospect is atrocious. He values RAS scores way too highly, and doesnt draft enough football players.

I can understand why Tepper may be fooled by this approach though, so we need to brace ourselves for him sticking around a bit. I dont think he will be fired this year.