Jones on the firing

[Waldo]

5 minutes ago, Tbe said:

I can’t imagine what worse looks like….

Bryce getting killed trying to run a college offense in the NFL comes to mind. No idea but it's possible

[Martin]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Ickey is straight garbage this year with embarrassing effort on the left edge.  But let's keep Campen forever.

Ickey has been bad no doubt. But it would also help if the QB doesn’t stand 500 yards back from his oline for every shotgun snap. 

[Khyber53]

There's no way at all to evaluate Bryce in what we've seen since he came to the pros. There may be a small chance to see him perform a bit during the interim.

Whether the kid is good or not, we're stuck with him for the foreseeable future. Still, if Eberflaus can make that division II son of an armwrestler look halfway decent out there, a good coach can get something out of what Bryce should bring to the table. Can't make him taller, but maybe at least take his feet out of those cement overshoes that Reich was saddling him with.

Just remember, neither Reich nor McCown had any history of successfully developing a QB. Reich went through them like crazy at Indianapolis (including some blue chippers on their last legs) and McCown's prior coaching credentials were at the high school level. Their years of experience as NFL QBs was given massive credence with little attention paid to the fact that both spent most of their time riding the pine.

I keep looking at the hiring a lot like I look at our drafting... our GM and owner are more apt to listen to hype from agents than they are to seek out the wise counsel of good scouts and personnel men.

Maybe, like we did last year, the team will luck into someone who can get something out of this collection of losers we've become. And hopefully, if it should somehow happen, we won't be stupid and let the solid candidate go.

 

[ClawOn]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Ickey is straight garbage this year with embarrassing effort on the left edge.  But let's keep Campen forever.

We'll see tomorrow if the blocking scheme changes/ improves.   It's at least possible Campen wasn't getting a vote 

[CRA]

45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

One thing that Tepper needs to take ownership of is that he was very proudly boasting about how they were bringing in a PG of a QB who could spread the ball around lessening the need for true playmakers on offense and freeing up money to be spent elsewhere.

The logic of that statement was always mind boggling.  Great QBs both big picture and small picture are for the most part always paired with an elite weapon or two.   Some times all time great weapons. 

The Bryce Young can do it alone never made any sense.  

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Getting blind-sided because the LT barely touched the DE is somehow only Bryce Young's fault, but if any other QB has that happen to him, it's the OL's fault. 

How many times is that actually happening in a game? You talking about a complete whiff block. Ickey is not whiffing every single play. Any other time bryce is getting 3 to 4 seconds to make decisions which is the standard amount of time in the nfl. Yall keep tip toeing around the fact that the guy had incredible amount of time in college to make decisions and he keeps trying to translate it to the pros.....ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. He holds the ball to damn LONG which opens up more sacks qb hits which also happened in COLLEGE....but let me guess its just the receivers fault for not getting open.  If anything the line can be better BUT so does bryce.

[TheMaulClaw]

The idea of a Steph Curry at QB was always really dumb.  It's not basketball and there are no 3 pointers.

[jb2288]

58 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

How many times is that actually happening in a game? You talking about a complete whiff block. Ickey is not whiffing every single play. Any other time bryce is getting 3 to 4 seconds to make decisions which is the standard amount of time in the nfl. Yall keep tip toeing around the fact that the guy had incredible amount of time in college to make decisions and he keeps trying to translate it to the pros.....ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. He holds the ball to damn LONG which opens up more sacks qb hits which also happened in COLLEGE....but let me guess its just the receivers fault for not getting open.  If anything the line can be better BUT so does bryce.

It literally happens 60-70% of drop backs. If it isn’t Ickey it’s immediate pressure up the middle. Our line is awful 

[countryboi]

1 hour ago, ECUPantherFan said:

Move Ickey to guard and draft a tackle.

I don’t think that’s going to fix or cover up the issues with his technique. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, ClawOn said:

We'll see tomorrow if the blocking scheme changes/ improves.   It's at least possible Campen wasn't getting a vote 

 

[stratocatter]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

a lot of potential reasons why reich was too stubborn to adapt, but none of that matters now.

brown now has license to adapt and i think he's more likely to just because he is younger and won't have someone hovering over his shoulder like reich likely was.

i'm hoping that brown (with caldwell's help) be able to adapt their playbook and playcalling to what can work with young. i've got hopes that they will be able to work with campen and find out what will work, because i'm sure campen has an idea or two that likely wasn't getting heard.

 Of course Caldwell wouldn’t “hover” over his shoulder he’d just be ‘guiding’ a 1st time NFL OC. But Reich was “hovering”. 

Interesting parsing of words there

We’ll see how lil Bryce does now that they have the Right people coaching him. 

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[Navy_football]

The oline looked sooooo much better after Zavala went down. Toth at LG and Mays at RG were solid. They even helped Bozeman look respectable. Even when Jansen came in, they looked loads better than with Zavala. Though you could tell Bryce didn't trust them. Any hint at interior pressure and he'd bail or look to bail. It took a couple of plays for him to realize that it was better up front and he started to step up in the pocket. Hopefully they build off of this and NEVER go back. Hopefully that gives playcallers the confidence to call more deep routes too. 

[stratocatter]

My question about this lack of vertical would be if that is what was stopping them why don’t they simply design a play that doesn’t require him to step up in the middle of the pocket? 

It wouldn’t be anything new. So I just figure it’s some other reason. Most times the simplest explanation is the best or however Occam’s Razor goes I don’t think people want to jump on the list of obvious reasons because can he do it comes into play pretty near the top of that list. That’s still a top 3 maybe. He could have that runway he needs but I never saw that as something that defensive people would allow to happen for long. So never saw it as a good idea worth suggesting.

But I really thought that is what we would see, a cutting down the size of the field horizontally. As opposed to vertically. But we haven't really at all, except for those escape to nowhere throw it away deals. 

[Johnstonny]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Ickey is straight garbage this year with embarrassing effort on the left edge.  But let's keep Campen forever.

We can't even begin to evaluate Bryce  because the oline is so bad...Campen should be gone which is what i've been advocating.... does he really have nothing to work with?... stop the dude on the other side of the line trying to kill your QB... don't duck out...give him a pat on the back with some fries and a McShake...