Hot take: We need a defensive-oriented coach

[Future of the Funchise]

Just now, Soul Rebel said:

Steeler fans want Tomlin out in PIT.  
 

Defensive HC - check

Veteran leader - check

Who does he bring on O? 

No way we bring him in. Tepper wanted him gone while he was a minority owner in Pitt. If we did I would lose my poo. Sign me up right now for all the reasons you listed. We need someone who can come in under him and be to Bryce what Norv Turner was to Troy Aikman.

[pantherj]

We need a good QB paired with a HC or OC who can call plays that actually make sense and work in today's NFL. We don't have anything close to that currently.

We have a quadruple hook play where all our receivers run long developing hook routes that take FOREVER to complete with our slow ass WRs. We have called this play several times this season before and after Frank and Beans was calling the plays. This play NEVER even comes close to working. Some of the WRs don't even complete the hook until after Young is sacked. We will call this play again this Sunday mark my words.

 My point is that our current OC thought this stuff would work, AND we're still trying to make our awful plays somehow work. Oh thank heaven 1 and 11. 

We have a QB who doesn't know how to play QB to the point where he got the QB coach fired. He doesn't have professional footwork at all. He doesn't know how many steps to take in his drop. He has a weak arm. He has no pocket awareness. None. He keeps escaping the pocket to his right and then throwing the ball with all the power of a dandelion floating in the breeze. We're cooked. Dalton is god-tier by comparison.

And now fans want a defensive minded HC? We've never had an offensives minded HC, so how do you know we don't want one of those types? If you think grandpa Frank and Beans is an offensive minded HC, then I don't know what to say. Frank isn't offensive minded anything. I could have picked better offensive plays at random.

I just an offense that makes sense. Where I watch and go "yeah that was exactly the right call." I literally want to close my eyes on most of our offensive plays. Offense is what's going to bring the Carolinas a Super Bowl one day, not defense. Those days are over.

[cardiackat88.]

I am honestly not sure WTF Rhule was supposed to be. He was not even a coach really, just an asshat.

Wilks was defense and we all wish he was given a chance to be the head coach.

 

[Aussie Tank]

This NFL is built around offense either hop on the bus or get left behind. Defensive coaches will have flash in the pan seasons but that will most likely lead to his Offensive Coordinator being hired. 

[Car123]

9 hours ago, methodtoll said:

Seifert was a defensive HC, fyi. 

My problem with hiring a defensive minded HC is that we will get off to a hot start with a good offensive coordinator, and then that OC goes on to be a HC and our offense takes a nose dive.

By the way, the only two defensive minded HCs that have won a Superbowl since 06 has been Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll. 

Face facts, it's an offensive driven league and you really need a good offense to succeed. The right call was going offensive minded HC, we just need a younger coach to adapt to today's offensive style.

The only exception I could see us going defensive minded is if we get a DeMeco Ryans type and we could potentially already have that on our team with Evero.

John Harbaugh, Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin were defensive coaches.

[Wolfcop]

8 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

Steeler fans want Tomlin out in PIT.  
 

Defensive HC - check

Veteran leader - check

Who does he bring on O? 

Would LOVE that

[Khaki Lackey]

Yay. Let's go back to Fox/Rivera/Wilks ball and go .500. Back to back winning seasons isn't all it's cracked up to be. We might make the playoffs every third year or so if our division sucks enough. Hell, we might even make a deep play off run once every decade if our GM stumbles into a couple of world beating talents. It's the Panther way. 

I'll give the people pining for Wilks this; .500 is an improvement over the current situation. I want us to be better than that, though.

(For the record, Reich's record in Indy was .547 for those of you in awe of Wilk's .500 tenure. Also, if you want to count Reich's record here, you also must count Wilk's record in Arizona.)

 

[TN05]

30 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Yay. Let's go back to Fox/Rivera/Wilks ball and go .500. Back to back winning seasons isn't all it's cracked up to be. We might make the playoffs every third year or so if our division sucks enough. Hell, we might even make a deep play off run once every decade if our GM stumbles into a couple of world beating talents. It's the Panther way. 

I'll give the people pining for Wilks this; .500 is an improvement over the current situation. I want us to be better than that, though.

(For the record, Reich's record in Indy was .547 for those of you in awe of Wilk's .500 tenure. Also, if you want to count Reich's record here, you also must count Wilk's record in Arizona.)

 

We made the playoffs in 4 of the last 5 seasons under Rivera before Tepper came in. In that span, we were also well above .500.

[jayboogieman]

10 minutes ago, TN05 said:

We made the playoffs in 4 of the last 5 seasons under Rivera before Tepper came in. In that span, we were also well above .500.

You may want to review the actual records because your memory is off. The Panthers had 3 winning seasons(2013, 2015, 2017) and made the playoffs 4 times(2013, 2014, 2015, 2017) under Rivera, who was fired in 2019. The second playoff season(2014) was the one they slipped into with a losing record(7-8-1) and was the least bad team in a bad division.

[csx]

48 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Yay. Let's go back to Fox/Rivera/Wilks ball and go .500. Back to back winning seasons isn't all it's cracked up to be. We might make the playoffs every third year or so if our division sucks enough. Hell, we might even make a deep play off run once every decade if our GM stumbles into a couple of world beating talents. It's the Panther way. 

I'll give the people pining for Wilks this; .500 is an improvement over the current situation. I want us to be better than that, though.

(For the record, Reich's record in Indy was .547 for those of you in awe of Wilk's .500 tenure. Also, if you want to count Reich's record here, you also must count Wilk's record in Arizona.)

 

Making the playoffs, conference championships, and Superbowls was terrible. I hated having an identity.

[Camp Fodder]

11 hours ago, Byrdman4real said:

George Seifert and Matt Rhule was defensive coaches. 

Matt Rhule really was more of an organizational builder. 

I am not really sure what specialty Matt Rhule was

[Waldo]

Given you can pick up a DC about any year vs it being very hard to find a good OC and keep them, I'm going to say this is not a wise track given how the NFL worls.

Looks like McDermott may be available soon and even our DC gets passed over and is still a DC for that reason. It will be interesting to see how Ryans does in Houston after his OC gets a promotion. I'll take an offensive guy always now, even if Tepper chose a washed up and tired HC last time. There are exceptions but it's not like this team has hit on any good ones in years, I wish we could find a Reid and it even took him a long haul in Philly to get to where he is now.

[Ricky Spanish]

You get an offensive HC coach if you draft a young QB to help them get acclimated to the NFL.

You go defensive HC if you have an established vet QB who is carrying the team on a yearly basis to help ease the burden.

[lightsout]

Philosophy of the HC doesn't mean you'll have a specific type of offense.

 

We can have a defensive HC who really wants to run the ball well...who has an OC in mind that will keep balance and make us a threat throwing the ball with some variety.

People get too hung up on HC philosophy. Gimme Rivera with an OC that isn't a fossil of a bygone era and I'm good