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Philosophy of drafting a raw prospect

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PNW_PantherMan Grand Master

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Personally I think taking long shots on earlier picks makes no sense with a terrible roster.  If you have a good foundation, you can justify taking a risk on a boom or bust prospect.  But the probability of those players working out makes absolutely zero sense for a roster devoid of players.

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3 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It's time this team stops gambling on this type of stuff. The Ladd vs XL is a prime example for me our team is not good enough to take on the risk of the gamble. 

 

As a UGA fan the only thing I’ll say against Ladd is he isn’t going to survive in the nfl. 

he was always injured at Georgia and that’s with him only playing like 60 percent of the snaps because the team was resting starters in the second half. 

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If you are in the business of drafting raw prospects, 100% you need a coaching staff that excels at developing raw players. It's the only reason to draft those types, but good luck asking a coaching staff to stick around for 3 years doing that.

Many players are entering the league at 24 years now cause of NIL and coofus fall out. Nearly all don't make it to their 30th birthday. So you have around 6 years ......its a lot to ask a team to invest 3 developing years into a player when the pay off is only 3 more years. *Then you have to sign the player to a new contract and the cap has gone up in those 3 years and bad teams need to spend 92% of the cap per rules. soo.......

So more teams are looking for "ready" players than "raw", cause the pay off sucks. 

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1 hour ago, Tbe said:


DJ Moore was pretty raw.

DJ showed typical future draft pick college progression. Talented newcomer to solid contributor to star over the course of three years and was 21 at the time of the draft. Roughly half his college stats came his junior year which was his last in college.

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Legette was basically a complete no show who would've gone undrafted had he not had the special exemption of a fifth college season due to COVID and was 23 at the time of the draft. About 75% of his yardage came in his super senior year.

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1st and 2nd rounders should be solid contributors day one. I mean why would you draft a project 1st and a player starting on IR 2nd? You are banking on a gamble of a huge upside or you don't know how to evaluate talent.  Why piss around....I think XL is salvageable, Brooks is really behind the 8 ball. We should have been able to nail 2 day one contributors out of these picks. We'll see where it goes I guess... 

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2 hours ago, Jmac said:

Putting all your chips on a "raw prospect", seems foolish to me. Having to take the time of training him up and then hoping for the best in the end.

If the move doesn't work out, it's then a waste of a pick and time. This team has been down this road before, and I can't think of one that has worked out. No matter what position.

Stop gambling and playing "magic eight" ball in the draft. Choose players that you are sure have the necessary tools to excel. Pick a player who checks all the boxes, especially with a high pick.

 

I love drafting raw prospects, they just have to have elite traits, not just a 40 time, and they have to be young, not a 5 year college project.  That is crazy.

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54 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

1st and 2nd rounders should be solid contributors day one. I mean why would you draft a project 1st and a player starting on IR 2nd? You are banking on a gamble of a huge upside or you don't know how to evaluate talent.  Why piss around....I think XL is salvageable, Brooks is really behind the 8 ball. We should have been able to nail 2 day one contributors out of these picks. We'll see where it goes I guess... 

That solely depends on the amount of capable nfl ready players in that particular draft. In most cases there are only 15 to 20 "capable" starters in each draft at best. The rest are hopeful contributors/future staters if you're lucky. 

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