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Who here was NOT HAPPY we won yesterday....


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Tanking is for losers; it’s never a viable option, no matter how bad your team is. These is a silly fan ideas.
 

Every single one of these players and coaches is competing for their jobs. they don’t know if they’ll be here next year. There’s never a good reason for players and coaches to buy into the idea of tanking for an imaginary prospect.

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1 hour ago, Panther53521 said:

It’s all about the draft pick and what the team needed at the time. The Chiefs didn’t know Mahomes was gonna be the player that he became or they would have taken him in the first round. Mahomes was drafted to be a backup.

draft position doesn’t matter if your front office knows how to draft and develop players.

Some ridiculous Mahomes comments being made today... he absolutely was not drafted to be the backup. Reid and the FO recognized that the team would never get over the hump with Smith's limitations and they identified Mahomes as their target who had the potential to exceed Smith. Did they know he would achieve so much? No, of course not. But they traded up to get him specifically because they needed someone better than Smith.

That's the whole point of these types of discussions. It takes a dynamic QB to beat the best in the modern NFL and that is the standard that Bryce is being measured against and what every team should be actively pursuing in one form or another until they have it. That's the reality.

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I didn't care about the win either given no playoff.

 

the "win at all cost" crew view is this- it doesn't matter between pick #3 or #27....... Yes they suck at drafting, I still want the best pick EACH round, its more value- plain and simple. This is the big picture thinking and long term. 

More than anything this team needs youth talent. Better odds if each pick is closer to the beginning of each round. 

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1 hour ago, NAS said:

You have to learn as a team how to win, it doesn’t automagically happen when you restart next year. It’s not Madden

i still think we lose to the Bucs and Falcons because they’re desperate to win the division which means we’ll be back at #5 probably 

I hope we can make them earn it.

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3 hours ago, Icege said:

OC Brad Idzik was hype af that the team won

 

I was wondering who that was running out there among the players.

Way I see it, the path between trying to win and trying to tank split off with our game against the Giants. Since then, we've gone head to head with some of the best teams, we've had our QB resurrecting his career to where there's potential for more, our rookie WRs are making plays, Chuba is becoming a big time player and we have some stability with our HC/GM for the time being. Us fans got a nice win for Christmas and a sense of optimism that the worst is behind us.

The Giants meanwhile paid their starting QB to go away, fans are flying signs to fire everyone, they are getting utterly embarrassed on the field, and who knows who is making the decisions on draft day. I can't even imagine what all the players on that roster feel right about now, but I guarantee a lot of bridges have been burnt and there's going to be players heading out. Their fans got two lumps of pick-six coal for Christmas and a dread of things to come.

I don't know about you but I prefer the football team that doesn't require putting a paper bag over my head anymore. 

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