Panthers possibly trading Thielen?

[ProcessBlue2]

Wonder if the bengals get tangled in this somehow. 

[The Lobo]

57 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

It was mentioned earlier in this thread, and then again just below you. Adam is helping Bryce call out the defensive play, and helping with protections it seems. It becomes more obvious when he's out of the game and our offense looks like post chorizo soft baby poo. 

How common is this with other teams or even younger qbs? 

[45catfan]

11 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

Don’t like the idea. Bryce needs that dude.

And that's the problem. Any time you have a WR that makes the QB instead of the QB making the WR, you do not not have a franchise QB...well, legit one anyway.

[CRA]

31 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

How common is this with other teams or even younger qbs? 

Well, I’m no BY defender…

but Cam Newton had a lot of help from vets too.  Kalil I think called his protections.  I think it’s also out there Olsen was pretty vocal in the huddle as well if Cam wasn’t on top of things 

[The Lobo]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well, I’m no BY defender…

but Cam Newton had a lot of help from vets too.  Kalil I think called his protections.  I think it’s also out there Olsen was pretty vocal in the huddle as well if Cam wasn’t on top of things 

I recall something similar his rookie year as well, by year three he had things dialed in though. Especially in 15 I remember Rivera said he let him do his thing pre snap. On his rookie year the lockout didn’t do him any favors so him being a little behind makes sense.

 

Bryce getting help doesn’t bother me too much either, but if it happens a lot this year, there may be a problem because he’s supposed to be a super processor or whatever. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Cam is probably a top 10 all-time QB talent. Bryce Young lacks a single NFL measurable and was drafted because he's supposed to be a football savant. That's the key difference.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Cam is probably a top 10 all-time QB talent. Bryce Young lacks a single NFL measurable and was drafted because he's supposed to be a football savant. That's the key difference.

Cam was also a drafted to be a one man wrecking crew….and was that starting week 1 his rookie year. 

BY was drafted to be high functioning mentalist  where we could get by with less on offense because he could function at such a high level.  Yet we have had to spend back to back first round picks on WRs and needs his vet WR to manage things at the snap….and he is the owner of the worst pass O in the NFL since arriving into the league 

[Davidson Deac II]

57 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

And that's the problem. Any time you have a WR that makes the QB instead of the QB making the WR, you do not not have a franchise QB...well, legit one anyway.

I disagree. Anytime you have a qb (especially a young one)in sync with a specific receiver, its a good thing. You just have to hope eventually, they get in sync with the others as well.

 

[Navy_football]

Yeah, I think you guys are taking the wrong approach with Bryce. Being intelligent means you can learn quickly and at a high level to solve problems. It doesn't necessarily mean you know everything already. He needed to learn a new offense both years in the NFL. First year, the coaching situation and conflicting instruction presented the worst situation for a player like him. Hopefully he's had enough experience in this offense now to perform better on the field. Definitely trending in that direction by the end of last season. He was never going to be a guy that killed it day one. He doesn't have the physical traits for that. Honestly I'm more concerned with this young receiving group and their ability to learn the offense early on. Bryce will benefit more from smart receivers than he will from pure athletes. Be where you're supposed to be, when you're supposed to be there. And oh yeah... catch the ball. 

[Icege]

I know that there's been some water tossed on the fire, but I do hope that both teams are exploring the move still.

On one hand, it would suck for Bryce to lose his most trusted WR and a super solid veteran for the young guys to learn better technique from. On the other, if Hunter Renfrow is good to go, he can take that slot spot over and read defenses with Bryce like AT does. Hunter was a high school QB iirc, so he'd be a reliable safety net in the slot.

Getting compensation for a 35yr old WR on the last year of his deal and having minimal drop off in production (while also giving more reps to the two first round picks) during a year that seems to be universally understood as the "Is Bryce for real?" season seems like a great move imo, especially if it allows the team to keep everyone else.

[carpanfan96]

This is back on now. Vikings don't need Carolina to take on any of the cap after they traded Sam Howell to the Eagles. 50/50 right now depending on if Carolina is willing to take a 5th with no cap hold. (Most likely trade compensation) 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

This is back on now. Vikings don't need Carolina to take on any of the cap after they traded Sam Howell to the Eagles. 50/50 right now depending on if Carolina is willing to take a 5th with no cap hold. (Most likely trade compensation) 

I didnt think Howell was good enough for a first round pick, but then again I didnt think he was bad enough to be a 4 team in 3 years type player.   Always thought if he figured out to stop holding the damn ball so long and trying to make something happen on every play he could be a serviceable back up.   

[TheSpecialJuan]

#Vikings have added draft picks and shed salary with recent trades of Harrison Phillips and Sam Howell, setting the stage for a receiver deal. 

Yes, Adam Thielen is in the mix there. But the VIkings have several lines out on the position league-wide.
https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1959625656033030358?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[PNW_PantherMan]

For a 5th I'd rather just keep him around.  That's basically nothing.