These guys nail the basics on Bryce/Canales/Carolina

[CRA]

Been saying these things since day 1.  They hit all the points. 

1.  Bryce doesn't fit these offenses.  Not Frank's nor Canales'.  He isn't a fit.  (my whole square pegs and round holes mantra)

2.  Dave's offense is suited for a gunslinger type.  They referenced Dave's previous employment in Seattle and Tampa paired w/ gunslingers. 

 3.  Bryce Young is a really bad QB beyond 10 yards. 

4.  Got to admit Bryce Young lacks the physical tools and it causes problems.   

5.  It's evident in the situational play calling and in general they don't actual trust Bryce (and you got 2 coaching staffs in a row essentially saying all the same things about Bryce). 

so add these guys to the irrational haters club.  Because they put all the greatest hits into one podcast. 

[hepcat]

Water is wet. Onto the next QB next year. 

[Mills]

When Chris said: "If Mike Vrabel was brought here to coach this team and Canales was on the Patriots, what just happened to the Panthers would've happened to the Patriots". 

That's a sobering thought and brings the state of of our franchise and decision makers into perspective. If that's clear to everyone inside and outside of the building, then changes need to be made.... But you can't change ownership

[chknwing]

I thought tepper fired Frank because they disagreed on Bryce running more RPO and hired Canalas with the mind set he would be creating an offense around the RPO.  Yet we don't see that.

[mc52beast]

4 minutes ago, Mills said:

When Chris said: "If Mike Vrabel was brought here to coach this team and Canales was on the Patriots, what just happened to the Panthers would've happened to the Patriots". 

That's a sobering thought and brings the state of of our franchise and decision makers into perspective. If that's clear to everyone inside and outside of the building, then changes need to be made.... But you can't change ownership

Tepper will never hire someone like Vrabel. He could’ve had Harbaugh who was basically begging to coach in Charlotte and wouldn’t hire him because Harbaugh talks back. As long as Tepper owns this team they will have  spineless yes men with no guts.

[HPPantherzfan]

1 minute ago, mc52beast said:

Tepper will never hire someone like Vrabel. He could’ve had Harbaugh who was basically begging to coach in Charlotte and wouldn’t hire him because Harbaugh talks back. As long as Tepper owns this team they will have  spineless yes men with no guts.

If Harbaugh was coach Bryce would have never seen the field again as a Panther once he got benched.  He is probably thanking God he avoided this disaster.

[toldozer]

12 minutes ago, Mills said:

When Chris said: "If Mike Vrabel was brought here to coach this team and Canales was on the Patriots, what just happened to the Panthers would've happened to the Patriots". 

That's a sobering thought and brings the state of of our franchise and decision makers into perspective. If that's clear to everyone inside and outside of the building, then changes need to be made.... But you can't change ownership

Wrong, a coach isn't fixing complete lack of talent at the most important positions

[Jay Roosevelt]

18 minutes ago, Mills said:

When Chris said: "If Mike Vrabel was brought here to coach this team and Canales was on the Patriots, what just happened to the Panthers would've happened to the Patriots". 

That's a sobering thought and brings the state of of our franchise and decision makers into perspective. If that's clear to everyone inside and outside of the building, then changes need to be made.... But you can't change ownership

This strikes me as a really stupid comment. Especially when they acknowledge that Canales doesn't have the QB to run his scheme. You can't say on one hand that the QB is the problem, then turn around and say "well, if only we had their coach and they had ours."

If Vrabel was our coach with Bryce as the QB he'd be running into the same limitations that Canales is. Saying the results would have been reversed is saying that Vrabel would somehow magically be able to avoid having the same limitations.

Now, if we also had Drake Maye at QB? Different story. But that's not what they're saying.

[mav1234]

I think everyone knows the HC is only the HC on one side of the ball. This is a huge problem, compounded by the fact that side of the ball he does have is hugely limited.

Fire Evero. Drump Bryce. Let Canales have the rest of the season.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I think everyone knows the HC is only the HC on one side of the ball. This is a huge problem, compounded by the fact that side of the ball he does have is hugely limited.

Fire Evero. Drump Bryce. Let Canales have the rest of the season.

If you start firing coaches and benching your starting qb you signal the season is over and the purge must begin. That includes trading players for draft picks. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I think everyone knows the HC is only the HC on one side of the ball. This is a huge problem, compounded by the fact that side of the ball he does have is hugely limited.

Fire Evero. Drump Bryce. Let Canales have the rest of the season.

Yeah, the Evero truly seems to be the head coach of the defense. I'm all for giving coordinators plenty of rein to work with but when your HC is practically begging his DC to play some younger guys instead of trash tier vets and the DC pretty much brushes it off that seems like a problem.

[BIGH2001]

19 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

This strikes me as a really stupid comment. Especially when they acknowledge that Canales doesn't have the QB to run his scheme. You can't say on one hand that the QB is the problem, then turn around and say "well, if only we had their coach and they had ours."

If Vrabel was our coach with Bryce as the QB he'd be running into the same limitations that Canales is. Saying the results would have been reversed is saying that Vrabel would somehow magically be able to avoid having the same limitations.

Now, if we also had Drake Maye at QB? Different story. But that's not what they're saying.

Yeah, Vrabel did not make 30 points of difference or anywhere close to it. Once the Tannehill situation ran its course he had two straight losing seasons in Tennessee and got fired.

[Jay Roosevelt]

3 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Yeah, Vrabel did not make 30 points of difference or anywhere close to it. Once the Tannehill situation ran its course he had two straight losing seasons in Tennessee and got fired.

I actually do like Vrabel as a coach, but no coach can overcome a severe limitation at QB. In some ways I am starting to wonder if we will ever really know what we have with Canales as long as he is tied to Bryce at QB.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Yeah, Vrabel did not make 30 points of difference or anywhere close to it. Once the Tannehill situation ran its course he had two straight losing seasons in Tennessee and got fired.

they did trade his best player behind his back, I wanted Harbaugh here and then I wanted Vrbel here.  What could have been