Snow's future with Carolina

[Mr. Scot]

The league is mostly about hot young offensive coaches these days.

[frankw]

For me Snow's stock rose after last season. The Joe Brady as the next hot offensive coaching candidate hype doesn't really jive given the up and down results of 2020. For the moment he has much to prove after hand picking #5 and the redzone offense being so putrid.

Edited June 2, 2021 by frankw

[Ready 2 Win]

 Speaking of Brady---

I may be wrong, but coaches can get paid whatever..right? Tepper needs to make him an offer he cant refuse!  No need to hurry into it! Not when the owner can basically pay more than any HC offer out there. 

I get climbing the ladder and he should.....3-4 years from now! 

[jayboogieman]

45 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Our shutdown corner leaves via FA.

The Panthers have never had a shutdown corner. Gamble is still the best corner this team has ever had and he was far from being a shutdown corner.

[Black&BlueBubba]

5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Many of us believe that if Brady has a stellar season he'll be a head coach in 2022.

What if Snow's defense turns out to be top 10 and he gets offers.

Snow IMO is happy as a DC and may not be interested in a head coaching job.  (Ie. Jimmy Johnson/Dick Lebeau)

Thoughts?

I think he is already like 65.   Have a hard time believing a team wants a first time HC at that age.  
His best bet is to remain Rhule’s right hand man. 

[jayflip]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The league is mostly about hot young offensive coaches these days.

Paging @TheSpecialJuan

[DJ feed me moore]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

The Panthers have never had a shutdown corner. Gamble is still the best corner this team has ever had and he was far from being a shutdown corner.

Josh Norman was the best CB in the NFL for 2015?

[Clicheking]

Phil Snow is 65. He's more likely to retire in 1‐2 years than leave for a H.C job

[SBBlue]

 

2 hours ago, BrianS said:

Snow worked miracles with that defense. 

 

The Lions win was all D.

[SBBlue]

5 hours ago, CanePantherHornet said:

For all the hoopla around Joe Brady, Phil Snow ended up doing more with less last year.

I agree.

To be fair, no CMC, a patchwork Oline riddled with injuries and  Brady still orchestrated career years for Teddy, Robby, and Samuel with a decent running numbers for Davis.    I'm going to withhold judgement.

This year will be a good test of how good Brady is as an NFL OC.

 

[Pazhoosier89]

33 minutes ago, Clicheking said:

Phil Snow is 65. He's more likely to retire in 1‐2 years than leave for a H.C job

I wonder if that is why we see Evan Cooper with Rhule all the time. He's one of the only other coaches in the room with Rhule on Panthers confidential. Is he being groomed to replace Snow at DC when he retires in a couple years?

[MechaZain]

5 hours ago, CanePantherHornet said:

For all the hoopla around Joe Brady, Phil Snow ended up doing more with less last year.

This is said a lot around here but I'm just not seeing it. Snow put them in zone coverage all year and every once in a blue guys like Chinn would make individual plays. We weren't the worst defense in the league but what little success we had was not because of anything Snow was drawing up.

On the other side yeah have weapons but we managed three 1000 yard receivers out of a QB who struggles to throw deep, who didn't have his star weapon, and who wasn't good enough to keep around even though he was under contract. That speaks volumes on Brady's play calling and it's why so many of us are high on Darnold's chances here. 

Edited June 2, 2021 by MechaZain

[PootieNunu]

4 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

This is said a lot around here but I'm just not seeing it. Snow put them in zone coverage all year and every once in a blue guys like Chinn would make individual plays. We weren't the worst defense in the league but what little success we had was not because of anything Snow was drawing up.

On the other side yeah have weapons but we managed three 1000 yard receivers out of a QB who struggles to throw deep, who didn't have his star weapon, and who wasn't good enough to keep around even though he was under contract. That speaks volumes on Brady's play calling and it's why so many of us are high on Darnold's chances here. 

When you consider everybody said we would have the worst D in the league on these very same forums, I think he did well.

MoRon is supposed to be a defensive mastermind, but our D last season was better than our 2019 D. Give Snow some credit. 

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, BrianS said:

I definitely began last season as a Snow doubter.  He did more than enough to earn my support.

Our defense went from 31st to 18th in an offseason where he began not having met any of his players, COVID hits and he doesn't get to have a real offseason with them. 

Our HoF MLB retires leaving the defense without it's QB.  Our shutdown corner leaves via FA.  Basically, our best two players from the 31st ranked defense walked out the door.

And we still improved to 18th?  Not only that, we were in 8 games decided by one score, in which our offense had the ball at the end with a chance to tie or win.  Yes, the offense completely failed to produce, but that isn't on Snow.

Snow worked miracles with that defense.  The bottom line is that he doesn't look at things in the same way as most "old school" NFL coordinators.  Frankly, that's a good thing.  NFL offenses today look a LOT more like college offenses if we're being honest.  Maybe an exceptional college DC is what is really needed.

 

I think you are way overselling it. We were not 18th on most statistics. Total yards surrendered might be the standard of comparison but it hardly is determinant of wins or losses. Bend don't break defenses try to limit the damage by stopping big plays which gives you middle of the road stats in many categories but like in interceptions or sacks you are always near the bottom as we were.  It doesn't make you good, it keeps you from being terrible. Like allowing over 50% of third down conversions and 60% of 4th down conversions.  That doesn't win games or shut down other offenses. We struggled getting off the field and that was due to the scheme.  Passive between the 20s and then gets more aggressive which already puts the opponent  in field goal range. While you blame the offense let's remember that you aren't going to win a ton of games if you give up almost 26 points a game. And we lost many of those 8 one score games because we couldn't stop teams from scoring as well couldn't score enough on our own. Snow was surely not a miracle worker and looked like a college coach trying to use his 3-5-3 college scheme which was awful. Hopefully with even more talent and now experience he can craft a legitimate defense  that dictates to others instead of  a weak bend til you break scheme we saw last year.

Edited June 2, 2021 by panthers55