"Fire Sale" not happening

[Peon Awesome]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  It’s a huge risk to keep him this year. His main value is this cheap year. After the deadline, his value drops. And who knows what a new coach/staff will want to do. If they want to move on without him, his value probably drops to a 3rd at best. If he doesn’t get hurt again.  Take a late first or early second and do what most teams do. Draft quality young cheap RBs. 

My main point is people seem to way overvalue a late 1st or early 2nd round draft pick. Half of them don't even merit a 2nd contract. Who have we drafted in that range in the last 10 years? Yetur Gross Matos, Greg Little, Vernon Butler, and Kelvin Benjamin. No, seriously. Depending on your definition of late 1st/early 2nd (this range is 28-38), that is the entire list. No cherry picking. 

Yeah there are gems even in the 6th round every year. The point is, what's more likely: McCaffrey stays reasonably healthy for the next 2 years and serves as the ideal safety net for a rookie qb or you find a player even 80% as good as McCaffrey at that range? None of McCaffrey's injuries are harbingers of long term issues. Hell he could have probably returned and played a lot more the last 2 years if we were playing for anything. You're gambling either way. Either gambling you'll find a stud at pick 35 or gambling that McCaffrey stays healthy. If someone gives us a pick in the middle of the 1st or two 1sts like the Panthers reportedly want, that's a different story; odds would shift significantly. But late 1st/early 2nd? I'm not convinced. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Peon Awesome said:

My main point is people seem to way overvalue a late 1st or early 2nd round draft pick. Half of them don't even merit a 2nd contract. Who have we drafted in that range in the last 10 years? Yetur Gross Matos, Greg Little, Vernon Butler, and Kelvin Benjamin. No, seriously. Depending on your definition of late 1st/early 2nd (this range is 28-38), that is the entire list. No cherry picking. 

Yeah there are gems even in the 6th round every year. The point is, what's more likely: McCaffrey stays reasonably healthy for the next 2 years and serves as the ideal safety net for a rookie qb or you find a player even 80% as good as McCaffrey at that range? None of McCaffrey's injuries are harbingers of long term issues. Hell he could have probably returned and played a lot more the last 2 years if we were playing for anything. You're gambling either way. Either gambling you'll find a stud at pick 35 or gambling that McCaffrey stays healthy. If someone gives us a pick in the middle of the 1st or two 1sts like the Panthers reportedly want, that's a different story; odds would shift significantly. But late 1st/early 2nd? I'm not convinced. 

If we didnt extend cmac, would he have gotten a 2nd contract?

[UNCrules2187]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If we didnt extend cmac, would he have gotten a 2nd contract?

...without question. You think a guy who's a 6-year vet that's worth a late 1st round pick or 2nd round pick (in your estimation) wouldn't have gotten a 2nd contract? His deal would've been up after his one injury year and it's more than likely teams would write that one year off as a fluke.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

My main point is people seem to way overvalue a late 1st or early 2nd round draft pick. Half of them don't even merit a 2nd contract. Who have we drafted in that range in the last 10 years? Yetur Gross Matos, Greg Little, Vernon Butler, and Kelvin Benjamin. No, seriously. Depending on your definition of late 1st/early 2nd (this range is 28-38), that is the entire list. No cherry picking. 

Yeah there are gems even in the 6th round every year. The point is, what's more likely: McCaffrey stays reasonably healthy for the next 2 years and serves as the ideal safety net for a rookie qb or you find a player even 80% as good as McCaffrey at that range? None of McCaffrey's injuries are harbingers of long term issues. Hell he could have probably returned and played a lot more the last 2 years if we were playing for anything. You're gambling either way. Either gambling you'll find a stud at pick 35 or gambling that McCaffrey stays healthy. If someone gives us a pick in the middle of the 1st or two 1sts like the Panthers reportedly want, that's a different story; odds would shift significantly. But late 1st/early 2nd? I'm not convinced. 

  The late 1st to early 3rd is the easiest place to get a RB. 
 

   I’ll take 4 years/10M or less from players like Chubb, Henry, Jacobs, Taylor, Sanders, Cook, Stevenson, Kamara, Cook, Jones or Breece Hall over one year at 12M for CMC. If you assume your front office is too ignorant to make a decent pick, that’s a completely different issue. Why not trade your picks for other teams players if yours can’t draft. And it’s the reason you don’t make trades. Does that make sense? 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

...without question. You think a guy who's a 6-year vet that's worth a late 1st round pick or 2nd round pick (in your estimation) wouldn't have gotten a 2nd contract? His deal would've been up after his one injury year and it's more than likely teams would write that one year off as a fluke.

after not finishing the prior 2 years?

[poundaway]

The fire sale was never going to happen with an interim HC who says "we're close" and is suing the NFL for being set up to fail.  The only way assets get traded away is if Wilks signs off on it, the player requests it, or the offer is above market.  Any other trade would just help the lawsuit.

[top dawg]

It's all a matter of price and the actual payment. 

[ForJimmy]

29 minutes ago, poundaway said:

The fire sale was never going to happen with an interim HC who says "we're close" and is suing the NFL for being set up to fail.  The only way assets get traded away is if Wilks signs off on it, the player requests it, or the offer is above market.  Any other trade would just help the lawsuit.

I didn’t think about that. Us keeping him for interim saying he has a chance then leaking Tepper wants a young offensive minded coach probably helps his lawsuit… 

[stirs]

Shelf life of a RB is short.  CMC is showing out now and will never be more valuable in a trade.  If we get new coach, new QB, new system, we will not be competitive for 2 to 3 seasons.  What will a RB like CMC be doing at that point?  Just like Cam, you guys think with your heart and not your head.  Was this Sundays loss more fun because CMC showed off his talents?  It was still an L.

I say trade him for the 1st and 5th if we can get it.  You can purchase another jersey

[Sgt Schultz]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

From Charles Robinson, in a Twitter thread talking about the market for Christian McCaffrey...

So who are "Rhule's guys" in this context?

Then there is the question of who the "Rhule guys" are that would command anything in trade value?

[onmyown]

3 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

the biggest message there is that they see CMC as an aid to a young QB. We know the direction the team is going the rest of the year now.

we didn’t know before?

[Cdparr7]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

From Charles Robinson, in a Twitter thread talking about the market for Christian McCaffrey...

So who are "Rhule's guys" in this context?

Elflein, Derrick Brown, Gross-Mayos (Who is horrible btw), Shaq, Tremble, Chuba, and the Baylor/Temple depth players

[Eric4280]

20 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Elflein, Derrick Brown, Gross-Mayos (Who is horrible btw), Shaq, Tremble, Chuba, and the Baylor/Temple depth players

Really, really don’t wanna part with Brown yet. 

[therealmjl]

21 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Elflein, Derrick Brown, Gross-Mayos (Who is horrible btw), Shaq, Tremble, Chuba, and the Baylor/Temple depth players

Brown is the only one on that list we need to keep around.