Let's talk Terrace Marshall

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If he puts up those numbers as our 4th leading receiver we have the best offense in the NFL and Marshall leads the league in yards per catch. The Chiefs had the #1 passing offense in the league and their 4th leading receiver had 42 catches for 568 yards and 5 TDs. Jaylen Waddle led the league at 18.1ypc.

What can I say....I feel optimistic for the first time in a long time. 

Ain't no tapping the brakes around here.

[Fright]

Gives me "Donald" LaFell vibes and I could see similar production. Constant 500-600 yard seasons, peaking at an almost 1k season. 

[Basbear]

Im hype about adam and chark, but TMJ needs to be ready to play/start. At some point in the season, TMJ will be called on to start and help win the games. 3rd year is the "magic" year for breakout WRs. 

New staff and theres new hope...i didnt like either WR coaches rhule hired. Hard to get better than richard, but shawn is a great WR coach. Glad to have that type of coach at one area of weakness. 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Basbear

[stratocatter]

As far as doghouse, wasn't he a healthy scratch starting out last year? I know they sat him at least once (first Saints week) but I think almost until Rhule was gone.

[frankw]

The potential is there. But will he take the step from training camp MVP to regular season stud? If there was ever a time to step up and show out this is it. I'm hoping he has a healthy and dominant season.

[DennisM1]

JAG

[frankw]

People are expecting our rookie QB to throw for 4,000? We still have to draft another wideout. I'm optimistic and love this staff on paper but that's all we've got right now is on paper.

[MHS831]

Hold up!  I have been screaming about Marshall this offseason.  He is not going to breakout--he already has.  He is the reason (and Shenault) that i do not think we should take a WR at 39.

During 2021, Marshall had 138 yards on 17 receptions.

During the first eight games of 2022, Marshall had 148 yards on 10 receptions.  During the time, we got rid of Anderson and Rhule. In the last 8 games of 2022--more than a half season--Marshall had 342 yards on 18 receptions.

If you take the last 8 games of 2022--when TMJ was forced into the offense more, he would have averaged 43 yards per game.  Over a 17 game season, that equates to 727 yards. 

Considering the QB situation, coaching, maturity, etc.  It is reasonable to expect TMJ to continue that type of production, if not improve it.

PS.  He is not yet 23.  There are many players in this draft who are older.

Edited March 27, 2023 by MHS831

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Im hype about adam and chark, but TMJ needs to be ready to play/start. At some point in the season, TMJ will be called on to start and help win the games. 3rd year is the "magic" year for breakout WRs. 

New staff and theres new hope...i didnt like either WR coaches rhule hired. Hard to get better than richard, but shawn is a great WR coach. Glad to have that type of coach at one area of weakness. 

I think that he'll start from the get-go.

2 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

No kidding. I don’t get the hype. He has 1 TD in 2 years in the most garbage time of garbage times down 42-7. Even Mayfield looked good at the end of that game because Cincy pulled starters.

Also, I don’t know where the “doghouse” talk is from and trying to equate him with Bozeman who wasn’t playing.

Marshall played 63.5% of the snaps. Outside of OL, only DJ Moore played more snaps. This idea that he never played was debunked by me in his rookie year and now again this year.

OP mentioned his biggest issue, IMHO, separation. I know that Next Gen Stats said he did well but that’s based on receptions/targets and he was two more than the minimum targets. He had a few long catches which led to it looking like he could separate but his target to snap ratio is lower than all other WRs last year even Chosen. That to me says he doesn’t get open enough to get more targets.

It should be obvious that almost everyone in here mentions that he was in the dog house yet he played 63.5% of the snaps even though he missed 3 games. If he played all 17, he would have played almost 80% of the snaps. He wasn’t riding the pine like Bozeman, he was our WR2 out there most plays. He didn’t get open enough. DJ played 50% more snaps but had triple the targets and DJ was the focus of the D.

As a fan, a breakout would be awesome but folks thinking he’ll replace DJ’s stats. To replace DJ’s stats, his snap count % better be 200% next year, which seems doable with Chark, Thielen and Hurst.

I would hold my horses about any separation issues. I think that his biggest issue was QBs who focused in on more as opposed to spreading the ball around. We should know what's what by season's end.

[rmoneyg35]

I think context is key. he was hardly used and at best was the #3 WR. When he finally started getting used this year it was mostly when we had a 2nd-3rd string Qb and we ran the ball a lot. He has potential still and with the right offense and coaches I think he can be a star. 

[Aussie Tank]

I can’t see why he can’t be Tee Higgens with a better QB and coaching philosophy 

[Aussie Tank]

2 hours ago, Fright said:

Gives me "Donald" LaFell vibes and I could see similar production. Constant 500-600 yard seasons, peaking at an almost 1k season. 

Marshall is a lot more athletically gifted 

[Eric4280]

5 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Call me crazy but I’m not worried about him at all.

 

It’s been said, but he was in the doghouse for unknown reasons. 
 

He flashed down the stretch and made some great catches. 
 

We now have actually offensive coaches, and better options at QB (at least I’ll assume this).

 

55-75 catches

800-1000+ yards 

6-10 TD’s

 

Those are windows that I think are realistic, and honestly I’m satisfied if he falls anywhere in there. Just keep improving.

I share this same sentiment. His confidence was probably shelled as well. Doesn’t really have that “dog” but he’s hyper talented. I’m very interested to see how dynamic he is.

[Wundrbread33]

3 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

No kidding. I don’t get the hype. He has 1 TD in 2 years in the most garbage time of garbage times down 42-7. Even Mayfield looked good at the end of that game because Cincy pulled starters.

Also, I don’t know where the “doghouse” talk is from and trying to equate him with Bozeman who wasn’t playing.

Marshall played 63.5% of the snaps. Outside of OL, only DJ Moore played more snaps. This idea that he never played was debunked by me in his rookie year and now again this year.

OP mentioned his biggest issue, IMHO, separation. I know that Next Gen Stats said he did well but that’s based on receptions/targets and he was two more than the minimum targets. He had a few long catches which led to it looking like he could separate but his target to snap ratio is lower than all other WRs last year even Chosen. That to me says he doesn’t get open enough to get more targets.

It should be obvious that almost everyone in here mentions that he was in the dog house yet he played 63.5% of the snaps even though he missed 3 games. If he played all 17, he would have played almost 80% of the snaps. He wasn’t riding the pine like Bozeman, he was our WR2 out there most plays. He didn’t get open enough. DJ played 50% more snaps but had triple the targets and DJ was the focus of the D.

As a fan, a breakout would be awesome but folks thinking he’ll replace DJ’s stats. To replace DJ’s stats, his snap count % better be 200% next year, which seems doable with Chark, Thielen and Hurst.

Maybe. Snap count isn’t useless but it is incomplete and vague. We don’t know what read he was during those snaps. We don’t know run/pass play ratio. We don’t know the relationship to each QB, or which receivers/routes those QB’s preferred. 
 

It sure seemed like he improved down the stretch when Darnold gave some stability to the offense, and the offense found identity post-Rhule. 
 

A lot will be cleared up this year under Reich.