Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Best VALUE draft picks in Panther History


MHS831
 Share

Recommended Posts

Smith is the best player in franchise history, so he’s easily the best value of all time.

Charles Johnson at 83 turned out to be incredible value. 

Travelle Wharton at 94 is great value too. One of our best offensive lineman in team history. 

I mean I really like everyone you listed. I might even add Donte Jackson at 54 to the list.

I’d also definitely add these players to the list.

Mike Minter at 56. 

Will Witherspoon at 73 (I’m sure Dan Morgan especially would agree )

James Anderson at 88 was another good value.

Geoff Hangartner at 169. Anyone who contributes as much as he did and picked that late deserves to be mentioned here

I’d also have to at least give honorable mention to both Richard Marshall 58.

Lastly I know he was still a first rounder but Chris Gamble was a top 10 talent and we were fortunate enough to get him at 28.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know a lot of Huddlers think our drafting has been terrible pretty much always, but the truth is that we haven't been bad.  The article is about a year old, but here it is from ESPN:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33297949/nfl-draft-which-teams-gotten-best-value-2012-rank-all-32

TL; DR - we ranked 11th.  There are 21 teams who wish they had drafted as well as we have.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

46 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Eliminate the first round in your heads.  Do it now! 

To me, the focus for real Panther fans begins with picks 39, 93, and 114 --that will ultimately determine the quality of his draft.  This got me to pondering.  As I pondered, I asked myself, "Who are the 13 best Panther VALUE picks ever?" I am excluding first rounders because they should perform at the highest levels.

Here is a link for reference:

https://www.panthers.com/history/draft 

It is important to remember that this list comes from 27 years of drafting--185 picks between rounds 2 and 7 over that time, and here are the best values from all those picks (the top 7%).  Some were good players, not great, but you must consider the round the player was taken  vs. his productivity here in Carolina.  I could have added Evan Mathis, for example, but he was not productive until he left Carolina, so he did not make the list.

Here is my list of the top 13 Panther values after ROUND 1 (performance considering Round selected is factored into the opinion): 

  • 1995 Round 4 (132)    C Frank Garcia    Washington    1995-2000
  • 1999 Round 2 (38)    DE Mike Rucker    Nebraska    1999-2007
  • 2001 Round 2 (44)    DT Kris Jenkins    Maryland    2001-07
  • 2001 Round 3 (74)    WR Steve Smith    Utah    2001-13
  • 2004 Round 3 (94)    T Travelle Wharton    South Carolina    2004-11, 2013
  • 2007 Round 2 (59)    C Ryan Kalil    USC    2007-18
  • 2007 Round 3 (83)    DE Charles Johnson    Georgia    2007-17
  • 2010 Round 6 (175)    DE Greg Hardy    Mississippi    2010-14
  • 2012 Round 5 (143)    CB Josh Norman    Coastal Carolina 2012-2015 
  • 2013  Round 2 (44)    DT Kawann Short    Purdue    2013-20
  • 2014 Round 3 (92)    G Trai Turner    LSU    2014-19
  • 2016 Round 2 (62)    CB James Bradberry    Samford    2016-19
  • 2017 Round 2 (64)    T Taylor Moton   Western Michigan    2017-pres

Honorable Mention: Charles Godfrey; Jeremy Chinn (too early to tell)

Best value overall: Steve Smith.  Runners Up:  Greg Hardy, Charles Johnson

There could be some argument here, but the round counts--if a player in the second round in one draft was a bit better than a sixth rounder on this list, then which was the best VALUE? 

Several Key Takeaways:

1. Finding talent on day 2 is harder than it looks in mocks.  Most of those players do not pan out.  To think we can fill 5 holes on draft day is silly.  

2. Bill Polian may have found us a path to the Super Bowl by manipulating the expansion provisions, but he SUCKED in the draft.

3. Marty Hurney was actually good at one time.  The 2001 (he was with the organization but not GM until 2002) and 2007 drafts were incredible.

4.  Once you look through these drafts and see the elite players that emerged from rounds 2-7, it should give you perspective.  So if we had 1 need to fill in this draft, where should it be?  Edge?  CB?  WR?  G?  I think we'd be lucky to find a QB and fill 2 needs effectively.

5. Check out the 2001 draft--Morgan, Jenkins, Smith---sure does explain the 2003 Super Bowl--the 2007 draft with Beason, Kalil, and Charles Johnson was also strong--If Jarrett became a stud, it would have been the best draft.

      6. FIve of the 13 were offensive linemen.  Just sayin'.

 

Thanks for the true and informative post pertaining to the importance of hitting on draft picks after the 1st rd.

Like you so clearly stated, the Panthers 39, 93, and 114 draft section will ultimately determine the quality of their 2023 NFL Draft draft.

Edited by KatsAzz
  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Eliminate the first round in your heads.  Do it now! 

To me, the focus for real Panther fans begins with picks 39, 93, and 114 --that will ultimately determine the quality of his draft.  This got me to pondering.  As I pondered, I asked myself, "Who are the 13 best Panther VALUE picks ever?" I am excluding first rounders because they should perform at the highest levels.

Here is a link for reference:

https://www.panthers.com/history/draft 

It is important to remember that this list comes from 27 years of drafting--185 picks between rounds 2 and 7 over that time, and here are the best values from all those picks (the top 7%).  Some were good players, not great, but you must consider the round the player was taken  vs. his productivity here in Carolina.  I could have added Evan Mathis, for example, but he was not productive until he left Carolina, so he did not make the list.

Here is my list of the top 13 Panther values after ROUND 1 (performance considering Round selected is factored into the opinion): 

  • 1995 Round 4 (132)    C Frank Garcia    Washington    1995-2000
  • 1999 Round 2 (38)    DE Mike Rucker    Nebraska    1999-2007
  • 2001 Round 2 (44)    DT Kris Jenkins    Maryland    2001-07
  • 2001 Round 3 (74)    WR Steve Smith    Utah    2001-13
  • 2004 Round 3 (94)    T Travelle Wharton    South Carolina    2004-11, 2013
  • 2007 Round 2 (59)    C Ryan Kalil    USC    2007-18
  • 2007 Round 3 (83)    DE Charles Johnson    Georgia    2007-17
  • 2010 Round 6 (175)    DE Greg Hardy    Mississippi    2010-14
  • 2012 Round 5 (143)    CB Josh Norman    Coastal Carolina 2012-2015 
  • 2013  Round 2 (44)    DT Kawann Short    Purdue    2013-20
  • 2014 Round 3 (92)    G Trai Turner    LSU    2014-19
  • 2016 Round 2 (62)    CB James Bradberry    Samford    2016-19
  • 2017 Round 2 (64)    T Taylor Moton   Western Michigan    2017-pres

Honorable Mention: Charles Godfrey; Jeremy Chinn (too early to tell)

Best value overall: Steve Smith.  Runners Up:  Greg Hardy, Charles Johnson

There could be some argument here, but the round counts--if a player in the second round in one draft was a bit better than a sixth rounder on this list, then which was the best VALUE? 

Several Key Takeaways:

1. Finding talent on day 2 is harder than it looks in mocks.  Most of those players do not pan out.  To think we can fill 5 holes on draft day is silly.  

2. Bill Polian may have found us a path to the Super Bowl by manipulating the expansion provisions, but he SUCKED in the draft.

3. Marty Hurney was actually good at one time.  The 2001 (he was with the organization but not GM until 2002) and 2007 drafts were incredible.

4.  Once you look through these drafts and see the elite players that emerged from rounds 2-7, it should give you perspective.  So if we had 1 need to fill in this draft, where should it be?  Edge?  CB?  WR?  G?  I think we'd be lucky to find a QB and fill 2 needs effectively.

5. Check out the 2001 draft--Morgan, Jenkins, Smith---sure does explain the 2003 Super Bowl--the 2007 draft with Beason, Kalil, and Charles Johnson was also strong--If Jarrett became a stud, it would have been the best draft.

      6. FIve of the 13 were offensive linemen.  Just sayin'.

 

Just a quick superficial eyeball scan and nothing earth shattering... (6, 46%) R2, (4, 31%) R3, (1, 7%) R4, (1, 7%) R5, (1, 7%) R6.  So, ignoring R1 (duh), if you are looking for a starter or major contributor, you better be fishing in R2 and R3, where 77% of this list came from.  Fitterer may be on to something in this draft if he is looking to trade down from 39 to accumulate more picks in R2 and R3.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • ╰┈➤ Product Name:⇢ Fairy Farms Hemp Gummies Australia   ╰┈➤ Benefits:⇢100% Pain Relief Supplements    ╰┈➤ Count:⇢ 30 Gummies (2 Gummies/Day)   ╰┈➤ Rating:⇢ ★★★★★ (5.0)   ╰┈➤  Side-Effects :⇢ NA   ╰┈➤ Availability:⇢ In Stock Voted #1 Product in the AU   :⇢ CLICK HERE  https://www.facebook.com/FairyFarmsHempGummiesInAustralia/   What is Fairy Farms Hemp Gummies?   Fairy Farms Hemp Gummies is a dietary supplement containing a blend of natural ingredients, each selected for their potential health benefits. Designed to be both delicious and effective, these gummies are infused with hemp extract that is known for its health-promoting properties. This product promotes a balanced lifestyle by addressing various health issues, primarily blood pressure control, blood sugar regulation, and cholesterol management.   https://www.facebook.com/events/3860395137567522/   https://fairyfarmshempgummiesinaustralia.company.site/   https://www.twibbonize.com/fairyfarmshempgummiesinau   https://www.twibbonize.com/fairyfarmshempgummiesinaubuy   https://www.twibbonize.com/fairy-farms-hemp-gummies-aubuy   https://www.facebook.com/FairyFarmsHempGummiesAUAustralia/   https://www.justgiving.com/team/fairyfarmshempgummiesaustralia   https://www.justgiving.com/team/getfairyfarmshempgummiesaustralia   https://www.justgiving.com/team/fairyfarmshempgummiesaustraliareviews   https://groups.google.com/g/fairy-farms-hemp-gummiesaustralia/c/CT6CZS4vWis   https://groups.google.com/g/fairy-farms-hemp-gummiesaustralia/c/Br1jfvWl7y0   https://infogram.com/fairy-farms-hemp-gummies-australia-reviews-1h0n25o3m1g5l4p?live
    • ManPower Male Enhancement Australia Leanix Gummies ➽➽Related Articles https://twb.nz/manpowermaleenhancementau https://twb.nz/u/manpowermaleenhancementaus https://www.twibbonize.com/u/manpowermaleenhancementaus https://twb.nz/u/leanixgummies https://www.twibbonize.com/u/leanixgummies https://manpowermaleenhancementaustralia.company.site/ https://leanixgummies.company.site/   https://viberidee-scooters.company.site/ https://glycogenplusireland.company.site/ https://soundcloud.com/kristenoliya/manpower-male-enhancement-australia-critical-customer-warning-what-are-they      
    • ManPower Male Enhancement Australia Leanix Gummies ➽➽Related Articles https://twb.nz/manpowermaleenhancementau https://twb.nz/u/manpowermaleenhancementaus https://www.twibbonize.com/u/manpowermaleenhancementaus https://twb.nz/u/leanixgummies https://www.twibbonize.com/u/leanixgummies https://manpowermaleenhancementaustralia.company.site/ https://leanixgummies.company.site/   https://viberidee-scooters.company.site/ https://glycogenplusireland.company.site/ https://soundcloud.com/kristenoliya/manpower-male-enhancement-australia-critical-customer-warning-what-are-they
×
×
  • Create New...