TMJ rated best WR

[Pejorative Miscreant]

3 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I could see them being like the 2015 unit. No big names but they all contribute. 

I hope so.  I think this group is probably better overall than the 2015 crowd. Olsen was a beast so I certainly don’t want to slight him but aside from him there wasn’t much there. 

[joemac]

17 hours ago, Eric4280 said:

This whole wr core is an unlocked treasure chest. Minus Theilen who I find to be essential in guiding them on field. It’ll be poorly rated, no one will care right now. But the untapped potential is severe.

Especially with a QB like Bryce throwing them the ball, who has shown the ability to throw his receivers into good positions to catch passes. BY can elevate those around him hopefully 

[pantherclaw]

Our depth chart at receiver, is EXTREMELY fluid. 

It'll be interesting how it sorts itself our during the season. 

[Khyber53]

16 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

IMO, the importance of having a star/#1 is overrated.  Most of the SB winners from the last ten years or so didn't have a star/#1.  Would rather have a group of 3-4 good receivers.  

I've said it before and I'll say it again, having a star wide receiver can be more of a problem than a gift. 

Our two prior Super Bowl runs we didn't go into those seasons with star receivers.

In 2003 we had a sturdy Mushin Mohamed who wasn't lighting the league on fire, some slow white dude cast off from the Greatest Show on Turf and some little punk that was a punt returner and a fight risk. They changed the league's opinion pretty fast.

In 2015, we lost our "star" receiver Kelvin Benjamin in training camp and our lone "big name" receiver was Ted "Feet of Lightning/Hands of Stone" Ginn, Jr. and a cast of whos?  

Of course, we could be looking at Moose, Ricky and Smitty v. 2.0 in TMJ, Thielen and Mingo. That sure would be nice!

[Davidson Deac II]

9 hours ago, KSpan said:

TMJ has 3 targets or fewer in the vast majority of his games - he is a #3 with upside at best at the moment. Mingo is definitely not a #2 - he a rookie and could contribute something or could do nothing this year.

Hopefully Young can help elevate everyone but Chark really needs to stay healthy this year.

Total number of targets from last year is largely irrelevant.  Of all receivers, he was second on the team in targets last year.  CMC was third even though he only played six games.  Our passing attack was nearly nonexistent last year in large part due to coaching staff and poor qb play.

TMJ caught more than half the balls thrown his way, and he averaged nearly 18 yards a reception.  That means more to me than targets.  

Not saying he will be a star for us, but I don't think its unreasonable to say that he has some potential that would have never been explored by the Rhule regime.  

[DaveThePanther2008]

18 hours ago, Eric4280 said:

Theilen who I find to be essential in guiding them on field

Theilen is an excellent route runner and his input to these young players should not go unnoticed.  Even if Theilen has pedestrian numbers his value to the locker room will be worth every penny we pay him.  

[Smithers]

9 hours ago, poundaway said:

Maybe.  It didn't in 2015.

Exactly.  Heck the Chiefs won the SB with JuJu as their top WR.  I like our group, and am excited to see TMJ and Mingo develop.  As I said months ago, I believe TMJ will truly break out this year.

[pantherclaw]

I don't believe you have to have a true stud receiver to win a Championship.  

Today's elite offenses SD the ball around anyways. 

Would I love another stud in the receiver room? Absolutely. 

 

We can still win with what we have. 

[Gerry Green]

2 hours ago, joemac said:

Especially with a QB like Bryce throwing them the ball, who has shown the ability to throw his receivers into good positions to catch passes. BY can elevate those around him hopefully 

 

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Total number of targets from last year is largely irrelevant.  Of all receivers, he was second on the team in targets last year.  CMC was third even though he only played six games.  Our passing attack was nearly nonexistent last year in large part due to coaching staff and poor qb play.

TMJ caught more than half the balls thrown his way, and he averaged nearly 18 yards a reception.  That means more to me than targets.  

Not saying he will be a star for us, but I don't think its unreasonable to say that he has some potential that would have never been explored by the Rhule regime.  

 

48 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Theilen is an excellent route runner and his input to these young players should not go unnoticed.  Even if Theilen has pedestrian numbers his value to the locker room will be worth every penny we pay him.  

 

37 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Exactly.  Heck the Chiefs won the SB with JuJu as their top WR.  I like our group, and am excited to see TMJ and Mingo develop.  As I said months ago, I believe TMJ will truly break out this year.

 

Fingers crossed!!!

 

IMO, if everyone plays up to their potential, or even better. This team can be scary. 

[KSpan]

2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Total number of targets from last year is largely irrelevant.  Of all receivers, he was second on the team in targets last year.  CMC was third even though he only played six games.  Our passing attack was nearly nonexistent last year in large part due to coaching staff and poor qb play.

TMJ caught more than half the balls thrown his way, and he averaged nearly 18 yards a reception.  That means more to me than targets.  

Not saying he will be a star for us, but I don't think its unreasonable to say that he has some potential that would have never been explored by the Rhule regime.  

Point being that he was not attracting more.attemtion, either by the QB, by game plan design, or otherwise. The offense didn't pay attention to him and as such defenses didn't either, which he turned into some downfield catches.

Could he turn into more this season? Sure, but Juju (named by someone else in this thread) is an example of a complementary #2 receiver and TMJ is not there on the field yet.

[Jackie Lee]

6 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

With 5 spots basically already locked unless we go with 7 (which we just might if the coaching staff is mindful off the past), that final spot is basically between: 

Damiere Byrd, Shi Smith. 

I think CJ Saunders, Josh Vann and Marquez Stevenson are damn near already on PS. 

As far as Marshall, just give the man his snaps and he'll work. Tbh, I'm expecting Derek Brown-ish last season type ascension. 

 

With teams more than likely keeping 3 qb's on the 53 after that new emergency qb rule i really don't see room for 7 Wr's. We need to keep extra cb's and O-line if anything considering current injuries.  

[KatsAzz]

Carolina Panthers WR group

BY CAT CRAVE

Wide receiver is probably the position that will be most discussed for this Carolina Panthers team aside from quarterback and for a good reason. The team traded away one of the league's best and most consistent young pass catchers D.J. Moore with hopes of getting their quarterback of the future, but that may come back to haunt them.

Free agent signing Adam Thielen may seem like a steal on the surface given the veteran wideout's previous production. But there is a reason the player was made available.

Thielen is squarely in the post-prime of his career and is no longer that No. 1 target that can be relied upon to take over a game. Even with having some of the surest hands in the league by far. Something that should mitigate the failings of Shi Smith in that category a season ago.

D.J. Chark is also a nice addition on the outside, giving Carolina some much-needed reliable speed to spread out the defense. However, this seems like a team trying to replace a Swiss army knife with two or three players that only do part of what Moore did so well.

Unless pieces like Terrace Marshall Jr. and Laviska Shenault Jr. show flashes of greatness, there isn't that one player for anyone to worry about. And that is a concern.

[Frizzy350]

21 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

IMO, the importance of having a star/#1 is overrated.  Most of the SB winners from the last ten years or so didn't have a star/#1.  Would rather have a group of 3-4 good receivers.  

I agree.  Game changing wide outs are a luxury, not a requirement in the NFL.

Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, Calvin J, Steve Smith, Julio Jones - This is way too talented of a list of players at a single position to not have a ring.  There's obviously tons of great players at every position to never win a ring, I just don't think it compares to the level of talent these wideouts possessed.

[Jackie Lee]

39 minutes ago, Frizzy350 said:

I agree.  Game changing wide outs are a luxury, not a requirement in the NFL.

Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, Calvin J, Steve Smith, Julio Jones - This is way too talented of a list of players at a single position to not have a ring.  There's obviously tons of great players at every position to never win a ring, I just don't think it compares to the level of talent these wideouts possessed.

Yeah you could argue that teams use that wr1 as a crutch. 2015 we had jags on the field and a rb rotation. Obviously we had Olsen at TE but a combo of Thielen and Hurst gives you that check down/red zone safety net. It's also arguably harder for teams to game plan against a team that spreads the ball out vs knowing Either DJ or CMC is getting the ball every snap