Panthers have made an offer...

[Cdparr7]

Can we make an incentive for getting sacks when they matter like TB game last year?

Most of his sacks seem to come when we down by 20 in the 4th or the first 2 minutes of a game that’s over by halftime.

[KillerKat]

5 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I agree with what you are saying, but the counter would be the cost to retain him and where that money could be allocated to offset the loss of a player like Burns. For example would Ngakoue at a fraction of his cost (who still is a solid pass rusher) plus the Rams picks plus the money saved more than offset the loss of Burns or not. It’s debatable and our staff didn’t think it would offset his loss.

And other counter, we get a Vet and then draft a rookie DE. We all know rookie DEs take 2-3 years till they hit their stride. By that time, the vet we picked up is no longer here and the rookie is about to hit a contract year and we are back to where we are now. And this is all assuming that rookie is good enough and worth it.

[ForJimmy]

52 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

And other counter, we get a Vet and then draft a rookie DE. We all know rookie DEs take 2-3 years till they hit their stride. By that time, the vet we picked up is no longer here and the rookie is about to hit a contract year and we are back to where we are now. And this is all assuming that rookie is good enough and worth it.

Yeah plus they were future 1st rounders I believe so 24 and 25. Throw in the fact it can take players several years to blossom in the NFL if they even do at all. I think Fitt knew we would have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 4-5 years so the future picks aren’t as attractive as an immediate impact pass rusher like Burns. We can afford to pay our premium positions until Young’s next contract so that’s the route we went.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

9 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Yes lets trade a premier edge rusher while we are searching for another edge rusher opposite of him so that now we have to find 2 edge rushers with no guarantee of getting the same value in return.

Better than overpaying for an Edge that gets all of his "12.5" sacks in garbage time and disappears/misses key tackles when it matters most. I'd take my chances on a young guy with a high motor on a rookie contract for 5 years than I would bet on Burns to become a well rounded DE worthy of a $100+ mill contract. He is literally Mario Addison just 4 years younger.

[Ricky Prickles]

What I want to know is why can't we go that look with what he is wearing PERMANENTLY?

[MHS831]

Getting rid of Burns would be like letting Julius Peppers walk.  No franchise would be that dumb...

Most of Carolina's elite edge rushers (Johnson, Rucker, Hardy) aside from Peppers did very little until year 3.  Burns is 25 and we are about to see 4-5 elite years of a premier edge rusher entering his prime.  A top edge makes your DBs better and allows for average edge rushers to benefit from a lack of attention.

Edited July 16, 2023 by MHS831

[Icege]

10 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

This forum is the only place on the internet you’ll find people say that burns isn’t worth the big contract.

It really is remarkable how Reddit & Discord realize it but the Huddle is still 50/50 on the situation

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Wasn’t that trade for 2 1sts and a 2nd next year? That’s a haul, man.

I’m done being upset over it, but Burns really needs to become a game-changer for us

[kungfoodude]

I suspect most are gonna be surprised by how big the Burns contract is. I would be surprised if he isn't a top 3-5 paid DE. He definitively hasn't played that way but we basically showed our hand when the info about the Rams trade leaked. The fact that we turned down that haul means he is going to get basically whatever he asks for eventually. 

Our best hope is that he is a little bit nice to us but I won't blame him for demanding a top 3 DE contract.

Edited July 16, 2023 by kungfoodude

[kungfoodude]

21 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Wasn’t that trade for 2 1sts and a 2nd next year? That’s a haul, man.

I’m done being upset over it, but Burns really needs to become a game-changer for us

If we judge him by that price tag, he will need to be a truly elite pass rusher. All Pro/DMVP caliber guy.

I also don't think that's particularly fair. He didn't turn down that trade our FO did.

If he can settle into being a consistent top 10-12 pass rusher in the NFL, that's still exceptional value for where we actually drafted him.

[thunderraiden]

Oh man this forum is just f-150 town isnt it? You have Nfc execs saying Burns is just as good as Bosa but plays for a poo team with no help aside from Derrick Brown and no offense to help him getting into obvious passing situations and thats not enough for these people. 
 

for what its worth, Bosa had identical stats to Burns when he played tampa, difference being that Bosa had a much better game script than Burns and still produced the exact same

 

Oh well alls well that ends well. At least the FO understands value and knows that Matt fuging Rhule is the last person to use to evaluate a premium player.

Edited July 16, 2023 by thunderraiden

[OldhamA]

18 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Yes lets trade a premier edge rusher while we are searching for another edge rusher opposite of him so that now we have to find 2 edge rushers with no guarantee of getting the same value in return.

I hope you bring that same energy when you hear what we pay him.

[Khyber53]

12 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

This forum is the only place on the internet you’ll find people say that burns isn’t worth the big contract.

This forum is the only place on the Internet where the readers have probably watched every play of his career and said, "Man, he's really good, but is he great?"

I'm not saying he's bad by any means, or even average, I'm just saying he hasn't been busting up the opposing team like we've seen other great DEs do in the past. Maybe this move to OLB in a 3-4 will be the key that unlocks his full potential, maybe it will be the new coaching, or maybe just getting out from under the 1967 Cotton Bowl type defense of Snow that he's been saddled with for most of his career.

I just don't know. Like I said, he's really, really good but we haven't seen "Save him a spot in Canton" level of play to get that level of money.  I'm not saying he has to be the new Julius Peppers, but somewhere between him and Charles Johnson would be help.

 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

6 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

This forum is the only place on the Internet where the readers have probably watched every play of his career and said, "Man, he's really good, but is he great?"

I'm not saying he's bad by any means, or even average, I'm just saying he hasn't been busting up the opposing team like we've seen other great DEs do in the past. Maybe this move to OLB in a 3-4 will be the key that unlocks his full potential, maybe it will be the new coaching, or maybe just getting out from under the 1967 Cotton Bowl type defense of Snow that he's been saddled with for most of his career.

I just don't know. Like I said, he's really, really good but we haven't seen "Save him a spot in Canton" level of play to get that level of money.  I'm not saying he has to be the new Julius Peppers, but somewhere between him and Charles Johnson would be help.

 

I think this is a reasonable  assessment. But with Burns many people are only looking at what he doesn’t have or bring to the table.  I think the naysayers should be looking at what you lose if you don’t sign him. Maybe not perfect but you can’t go to the Defensive End store and get someone with all those superlatives gift wrapped to plug into a roster.  It’s not settling or overpaying it’s just what the market is for current elite players at that position. Burns will get every penny he is worth either here or elsewhere. Based on the offer the organization turned down I would bet it’s going to be here.  
 

Folks have to deal with it.