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Official Saints at Panthers MNF thread


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4 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

We mortgaged our future with Young, didn’t trade Burns to get him some weapons (Sam LaPorta wen two picks before the Rams 2nd we could have had) and we basically traded CMC for Mingo and DJ Johnson. SF clearly already won that trade and CMC hasn’t even played a full season with them. Heck, I think the Rams won that trade by not making it and the Bears may have a new QB or Marvin Harrison Jr to go with DJ Moore.

Young still has time to develop but could we have screwed the pooch more so far with those trades/non-trade.

Still focusing too much on big names. We need depth. Which needs good coaching. Don’t be a dumb. 

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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I just didn't think he would look like he just couldn't play at this level. It's fuging stunning.

The worst part is that the things you expected him to excel at he has been the worst at. Reading the field, anticipating, decision making, accuracy.....literally all of this has been subpar.

Not directed at you, but just using your post as a springboard in saying that I made up my mind early last season that he was not going to be a starting NFL QB.  Although I didn't necessarily think he would look THIS bad, I am not stunned he looks this dysfunctional.  He was a game manager in college but the stats and image get inflated bc he played for Bama.  I wasn't sure, but was fairly certain he would be mediocre in the pros.  And as a I said at the draft, I did not want him at all...  iwas surprised he remained projected as a first rounder the further the process played out, bc I was sure the more tape that was studied and with his stature, he would fall out of the first round.  And yet, we were the suckers that fell for it, and now we're gonna pay the price for it.  Damn.

I wasn't big on Stroud until the NC Game and I grew to feel AR was the best pro prospect the more I studied each guy...  and honestly, I still think Hooker has a chance to be the best QB from this class once healthy.  AR was my number 1 pick, but I would've taken him, Stroud, or Hooker before I ever even considered Bryce.  This fuging sucks.

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Young isn't that bad guys. He needs help, but he isn't a lost cause. 

Reich out here throwing screens to Thielen and Mingo. Meanwhile Laviska has like 1 touch today. Make it make sense.

Abandoned the stack after the first drive even though it was working. Ran a play out of stack again just to have the primary target be away from the stack. Where they do that at?

Slow receivers running the same routes at different levels. No pressure on the defense. 

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