What do the panthers miss.

[Khyber53]

The point. We've been missing the point of being a football team.

We've gone soft, we don't know how to win, we don't know how to even evaluate players anymore.

We've missed the point of the whole damn game.

[Cavscout]

Good talent evaluators

[PantherFanInPhilly]

a new Panthers anthem from Ked Woodley

[Waldo]

Decent ownership, a much better front office, competent GMing, capable coaching, coherent roster building, accurate player evaluations and the ability to adapt at all of those levels.

A good QB, a decent TE, a WR room minus 1 slot grandfather, a dominant oline, a completely new CB room and a D built around Brown who is the best player on the roster.

A good stadium experience and not an overpriced shell of a game day. A reason to show up and care on game day. A practice/team facilities near the stadium. Real grass and not more garbage music.

Winning.

I'm sure there is more but that's all I can recall in the downward spiral that is Panther fandom.

[dave-o]

They miss a winning team....  10 years ago today I shot this.......

 

 

[Gapanthersfan]

9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

That was the issue with not just playing Dalton at some point. Some BY dudes wanted Bryce to get "more experience" where in reality we wasted multiple games where we could have been actually evaluating the O-line and skill players with a NFL caliber qb under center. Now everything is a question mark instead of just the rookie qb

See this is the thing for me too. We know we need better, but on offense we have a lot of question marks. 

To answer the original question, I miss a coach that players respected and responded to. An offense that moved the ball at will and set team rushing records, and a defense where 11 players gave it their all from beginning to end and were back to knocking heads once again. A team that legit looked like they were a few pieces away from being at least competitive. 

I miss my draft picks. I miss the time when we weren’t a complete laughing stock. I miss the not so long ago when we had fans back. 

We were learning how to win again. We had a Land Cruiser but he wanted a G63. He chose what was behind door #3… a ford Escspe.
 

And this was all brought on with an owner’s fragile ego and his Don Quixote like quest to show the league that he was going to win his way. 

[PghPanther]

Wisdom within ownership..................

[Zaximus]

PATs

[Wundrbread33]

It sounds cliche and vague, but we really are missing consistency and culture. 

The right hire fixes this. 
 

Wilks brought the culture back, but I understand the argument that his ceiling may not have been good enough. That being said, we all saw how much he helped the team by being a consistent leader who held people accountable. 
 

Which candidate can do this for us?

 

[raleigh-panther]

Talent, Players. Heart, a tactical to strategic plan … an identity …  a decent owner who understands  the sequence, locker room chemistry and community value 

The Nfl is about stars and excitement  

The panthers have neither 

when you say KC, who do you think of…Buffalo…Houston (had to throw that in) 

the Panthers have a pro team that cannot score. 

….even peewee leagues can score a TD now and again  

[Harbingers]

3 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

The point. We've been missing the point of being a football team.

We've gone soft, we don't know how to win, we don't know how to even evaluate players anymore.

We've missed the point of the whole damn game.

I firmly believe it’s leadership. We have no leadership. Tepper comes from a cutthroat industry. If you don’t have an owner that’s willing to lead, how will you have anyone below him willing to follow. And not game of thrones this poo. 

[Billy Love]

Culture, identity, heart, drive, balls, desire, talent, talent evaluators, leadership. 

 

take your pick. 

[pantherj]

Effective offense. During the Cam era we just used him as a battering ram and that made up for offensive incompetence. Once Cam's body starting wearing down we relied on a potential HoF RB in CMC for offense, and then he started wearing down. The problem was that we never had the staff in place to create an offensive system that could be effective without a generational talent dragging the team down the field. Then Fitt traded CMC... dear god. We found out how idiotic a lot of coaches and coordinators are at the NFL level. Frank and Beans embarrassed himself to the point where I don't think he can show his face in Charlotte without feeling some kind of shame. His play calls were moronic. Period.

So thanks to Fitt we really don't have a special player who can elevate mediocre play calling. Fitt flopped in the draft, and his free agents were TERRIBLE, and he stripped the offense of DJ and CMC. DJ I could forgive, but CMC was propping up the offense. We didn't need to trade CMC to draft Young (who looks terrible).

We have no offense. That's what we're missing. We're bad at every position on offense except slot receiver, RT, and RB. Think about that. That's how bad Fitt was at roster building. All our positions on offense are bad except slot receiver, RT, and RB. We need to fill so many positions that being decent in 2024 is out of the question. Where to start?

LT - Icky will need to move inside. His pass blocking is HORRENDOUS. That means we need to draft a LT, or move Christensen to LT.

G - I hate all of our guards. All of them except Corbett whose knee is beyond ruined.

C - Bozeman is a slow lurching fatso who yells at our weird, blank, emotionless QB. This is follwed by Young crying in the locker room. Great. We need a more athletic C who can actually pass block.

TE - We don't have any. The only way our poop TEs can look good is when we play GB's legendarily bad secondary. Draft at will, or find a free agent.

WR - We need a #1 and #2. What a nightmare. It doesn't get any worse than that.

RB - If we're sticking with noodle arm, then someone else has to make explosive plays. We need an elite RB so long as Young is our QB. RB is the least of our concerns on offense, but if a potential superstar RB falls in our lap, then pull the trigger. If for no other reason than to give me someone fun to watch on Sundays.

I honestly don't know of our 2023 team could beat our 2010 Pickles team. It would be a close game, maybe the 2023 team wins 2 to 3.

I'm running draft simulations here and there to show everyone what I'd like to do to fix this team, but 2024 is not going to go well no matter what we do. 2025 maybe.

 

 

Edited January 12 by pantherj

[Cavscout]

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