Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Y’all are overreacting


Panthers Fan 69
 Share

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

We didn't even sell anyone besides Burns, just let a bunch of dudes walk instead of at least trying to get some kinda of compensation for them. Usually teams try to accrue as much draft capital as possible even if it's 7ths or conditional picks. Morgan seems like he gave up before even trying on most these guys. And then I don't think you shell out $20M a year to a guard with hamstring issues if you're doing a true rebuild. 

The reason they were cut and not traded is because they weren’t worth what they were making. Why would a team trade a 7th round pick to take on a bad contract like Bozeman’s? I’m not sure I understand why you would think Morgan would cut guys if he could trade them instead.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Tarheel119 said:

Luvu is the only guy I hate losing. The rest I am okay with. This was not something that was going to be a quick turnaround. I’m not going to judge until the end of the offseason. Realistically, I can’t judge until 2-3 years down the road.

Agree. But if they replace him with Queen, then I'm not too mad about that anymore. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

We didn't even sell anyone besides Burns, just let a bunch of dudes walk instead of at least trying to get some kinda of compensation for them. Usually teams try to accrue as much draft capital as possible even if it's 7ths or conditional picks. Morgan seems like he gave up before even trying on most these guys. And then I don't think you shell out $20M a year to a guard with hamstring issues if you're doing a true rebuild. 

So you are saying we should have given them contracts and then traded them away to accrue dead cap?... Contracts that outside of Luvu, I wouldn't want our front office to offer...

  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

not overreacting, this is the BS pretty much every panthers called out when the bad decisions and moves were being made. except even worse than worst case scenarios

We are paying, what we are paying, and getting the returns of trades because of the position we were put in 4 years ago.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The return on Burns sucks but going all in on the o-line makes sense to me. If that group's finally strong then next season is our definitive look at what Young is capable of. If he continues to struggle then we've already rolled out of the red carpet for his replacement. 

The defense has been thoroughly gutted though and that worries me. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

 

Honestly, this is what should have happened 4 years ago. Sell everyone and just start over. You have Ron Fat Fhule and Frank hold overs and y’all weren’t winning. Gut this thing and completely rebuild like the 95 Panthers. 
 

 

Yep burn it down, I just now saw they moved Burns... I was busy betting on everything under the sun 🤣 didn't sleep though so I should probably lay off while I'm up 4k.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I defended not trading burns at the time because I figured a deal was imminent and he was the only pass rusher we had.

The moment Fitterrer balked at signing him to a long term deal we were fucked. Not trading him only boosted his asking price, which the FO should have realized, so when Burns asked to be paid like a player worthy of two firsts and a second round pick we of course didn't think he was worth that money?

In what world does that make sense?

 

Fitt was bad.png

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I defended not trading burns at the time because I figured a deal was imminent and he was the only pass rusher we had.

The moment Fitterrer balked at signing him to a long term deal we were fucked. Not trading him only boosted his asking price, which the FO should have realized, so when Burns asked to be paid like a player worthy of two firsts and a second round pick we of course didn't think he was worth that money?

In what world does that make sense?

 

Fitt was bad.png

and I will contend to this day, there is no player in the nfl that isnt a qb that you dont accept that offer for.  2 firsts and a second and anyone gets traded.   Ive watched football for far to long to know that a player can simply fall off a cliff at any moment.  That type of draft capital, if parlayed correctly, can set your team up for a long time

  • Pie 2
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • It all sounds great. The only unknowns are injuries and how they will need to be addressed. Horn has a history as does the newly added Jaelen Phillips and Cooker has yet to play an entire season as well. And then there are the Ikey's - totally unexpecteded injuries that put a major wrench in your plans. I do think its a great plan though.
    • If we pay Bryce like a franchise QB we're completely and utterly buttfuged.
    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
×
×
  • Create New...