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Did Scott Fitterer draft any good players?


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1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

To be fair I don't listen to anyone who says a draft pick sucks the moment they are taken.

i know people might be shocked to see me say this, but i'm kind of the same way.

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1 hour ago, The Natural said:

There's no way at this moment I would consider Ickey "really good". Even in his rookie season he struggled mightily in pass protection. 

He was really good his rookie year. He wasn’t perfect, he had rookie moments, but he was certainly really good. I saw no struggling “mightily”. He was better vs the run, but still decent against the pass over the course of the season. 

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2021

2021 Carolina Panthers Draft
Round Selection Player Position College
1 8 Jaycee Horn CB South Carolina
2 59 Terrace Marshall Jr. WR LSU
3 70 Brady Christensen OT BYU
83 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame
4 126 Chuba Hubbard RB Oklahoma State
5 158 Daviyon Nixon DT Iowa
166 Keith Taylor CB Washington
6 193 Deonte Brown OG Alabama
204 Shi Smith WR South Carolina
222 Thomas Fletcher LS Alabama
7 232 Phil Hoskins DT Kentucky

 

2022

022 Carolina Panthers Draft
Round Selection Player Position College Notes
1 6 Ikem Ekwonu OT NC State  
2 38 Traded to the New York Jets[A]  
3 70 Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars[B]  
94 Matt Corral QB Ole Miss from Chiefs via Patriots[C]
4 111 Traded to the New York Jets[A]  
120 Brandon Smith LB Penn State from Saints via Commanders[D]
137 Traded to the New England Patriots[C] from Rams via Texans[E]
5 144 Traded to the Washington Commanders[D] from Jaguars[B]
149 Traded to the Washington Commanders[D]  
6 185 Traded to the Buffalo Bills[F]  
189 Amaré Barno LB Virginia Tech from Commanders[D]
199 Cade Mays OG Tennessee from Raiders[G]
7 227 Traded to the Las Vegas Raiders[G]  
242 Kalon Barnes CB Baylor from Patriots via Dolphins[H]

 

2023

2023 Carolina Panthers Draft
Round Selection Player Position College Notes
1 1 Bryce Young QB Alabama From Chicago
9 Traded to the Chicago Bears[A]  
2 39 Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss  
61 Traded to the Chicago Bears[A] From San Francisco[B]
3 76 Traded to the New England Patriots[C]  
80 D. J. Johnson OLB Oregon From Pittsburgh
4 114 Chandler Zavala G NC State  
5 145 Jammie Robinson S Florida State  
6 187 Traded to the New England Patriots[C]  
7 226 Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars[D]

 

 

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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Fitts was a bum. I told y'all he was a bum when he took a GM job that didn't have final roster say. No legit GM candidate is taking a GM job in title only.

So it wasn't his fault? What are you trying to say here

 

 

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13 minutes ago, csx said:

So it wasn't his fault? What are you trying to say here

 

 

I'm saying we hired an unqualified "GM" in title only. Fitts was just willing to be a rubber stamp for a paycheck. Whether you want to say it's "his fault" or not really just isn't relevant. He cashed his checks, our shitty roster building took place, and now here we are with his underlying in the role now expecting things to get better. Let's just say that I'll believe it when I see it. "It" being winning games on Sundays. Not "winning" the off-season.

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2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Horn is elite when healthy and was the right pick. He’s better than Surtain and the injuries couldn’t be predicted. Ickey is really good, one down year in a clusterfug of bad coaching and Mr. No Pocket Presence doesn’t change that. I’m confident he’ll get back on track. Christiansen and Chuba are decent. 

While I agree Horn’s injuries could not be predicted since he didn’t have a history of them coming out of college, I don’t think he’s proven to be better than Surtain when healthy. Who knows, maybe if he had stayed injury free he would have been better and he just hasn’t been able to develop as much due to the injuries. Hard to fault the team for that when they were neck and neck in pre draft evals.

HOWEVER, acting like Ickey has ever been “really good” in pass pro is some wild revisionist history. He was a dominant run blocker coming out of college who teams thought could develop into an elite LT based on his size and athleticism, but his weaknesses coming out of college remain his weaknesses now. We decided to run the ball for 75% of the snaps for half a season in 2022 and people thought that meant our OL could pass pro. So nonsensical.

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This is why its comical when people disparage fans for an opinion or thinking they could do better.  Granted, your good front office people are smarter than most fans, but anyone can be terrible.

I could take a big board list from ESPN or PFF and let my dog paw at it and he would at least be terrible also.

 

 

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To me what's even more frustrating is all picks that were traded away.  Just in the drafts he oversaw, the guy traded away 12 picks.  We're still suffering for this year and next with picks he traded away.  Is it too much to ask that our GM just, you know, draft some guys?

Oh, and with the exception of Bryce, the guys we traded for are no longer on the team.  Is it any wonder we have a talent deficit on the team?

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22 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

This is why its comical when people disparage fans for an opinion or thinking they could do better.  Granted, your good front office people are smarter than most fans, but anyone can be terrible.

I could take a big board list from ESPN or PFF and let my dog paw at it and he would at least be terrible also.

 

 

It's just don't out of convenience. There's no disparaging of fans who share similar opinions. But let someone offer a difference of opinions and "*scoff* Yeah, I guess all the experts are just wrong." As if there aren't busts and steals in every single draft where the "experts" got it wildly wrong.

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2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

To be fair I don't listen to anyone who says a draft pick sucks the moment they are taken.

To be honest, mainly I just spoke about how bad Fitterer sucked at making draft picks, rather than a single player. Seems rough to just pick on some kid straight out of college and tell him he sucks before he's done anything. Now a 40-odd year old football exec who is supposed to know what he's doing, and who has been anointed by a billionaire? That guy, I don't have a problem saying he sucks when it's pretty obvious.

He was a chump, a mark, a rube and was a sports exec of the George Costanza model.

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