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Training Camp Day 8

Ricky Spanish

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1 minute ago, Joe Bear said:

I should also add that it's absurdly early and there's no need to label any pick a bust (at any level) before they've played a full year at minimum.

Now, that said, there's a 99% chance this year's draft yields no help for what's already not a top-35 lineup in the league (I'd take a handful of teams' twos over the ones here).

At least we're used to this by now, so losing your first-round WR and second-round RB possibly for the year before they play a game (I'm hopeful for Brooks but remember when Foster's knee injury would have him out "a month or two" at first).

Brooks will be fine. He was injured in Oct or Nov of last year. Was fully known by the time we drafted 

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Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Pretty sure Brian Allen beat out Corbett for the C job in LA

It was simply stupid to go with only Corbett at C.  I will never understand investing that much money in 2 Gs, and not even having a bare minimum starter at C.  They could have easily picked one in the draft.

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2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It was simply stupid to go with only Corbett at C.  I will never understand investing that much money in 2 Gs, and not even having a bare minimum starter at C.  They could have easily picked one in the draft.

Yep. If Corbett goes down again or simply isn’t even average at C then the entire thing goes to sh!t. 

They’ve invested a crap load of money. A top 10 pick in Ickey. Crappy center play can easily blow the entire thing up

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30 minutes ago, Icege said:

 

  • Asked about deep passing since that was a big part of his Bucs offense. Asked why it wasn't being displayed. Canales says that the scheme is fantastic and maximizes the disguise (re: Evero's). Makes it hard to see when that shot will be good. Deep ball production increases the further into camp that they get and more in games. In a practice setting the defense is playing more conservative while in games they're likely to take a risk that you can take a shot on. Would love to see more production yes, but it's difficult against the Panthers' defense.

Canales done. Waiting for the first of the two players for today to come up.

Is he basically saying our defense is so much better than our offense that we don't have the option of throwing deep? 

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Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Is he basically saying our defense is so much better than our offense that we don't have the option of throwing deep? 

https://x.com/joshkleinrules/status/1820125651166523861
 

Evero’s defense is designed to take away the deep pass. We are actually good at that last year. Also said they will work on more deep passes as they process further into camp. 

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12 minutes ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

Remember when you'd have a hint of optimism at this time of year when going into the new season? Been a while but I think I have a vague memory of it. 

I try to be optimistic.  Teams rise from the ashes every year.  Houston, Tampa, and Arizona were seen as the worst teams last off-season and 2 had great years and even Arizona was coming on at the end of the year.

Can't read much on here if you want to be optimistic.  The loathing is insane. 

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