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If Bryce doesn’t produce, we moving on?


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28 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Who you liking in 26’s class? Nico hurt himself, Manning is a question mark, LaNorris looks legit…

I'm open to all the top guys at this point and critique as the season progresses, although about 5 of them are only 3rd year guys.  I don't have a draft crush yet, to answer your question.  Some (unlikely all) will go back for another season...especially in case of a prolonged injury or underwhelming season of production.  It worked out well for Cam Ward to stay in college and transfer to Miami this season.  I think he was project as a solid Day2 guy (likely Round3) if he had came out last year.

I'll critique as the season goes along.  Remember, this current QB class looked a lot different from how it started in the fall to how is actually shook out in the draft.  As a whole, folks thought Sanders was QB1, Ewers QB2 and Ward was QB3.  Dart was like QB5 or QB6.  I think the only one that was about spot on was Milroe around QB4 or QB5. 

The talent in the 2026 QB class is better and much deeper than this one even if a couple decide to stay in school.

He's one site's way too early 2026 QB rankings as of spring 2025:

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Funny, I already came across a 2026 first round mock draft and they had the Saints taking Nussmeier #1 overall.

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I’ve come around to being a Bryce defender. Really big step. Not many players dig deep and make the post benching turnaround he did. 40 burger in ATL. XL dropped a DIME to possibly beat the SB champs. Took KC to the wire. Not like the defense did him any favors. So he’s got moxie and dropped a lot of dimes to finish the season out. Continues? I think so. 

And if he doesn’t… Haven’t y’all learned there’s always worse? We’re good at worse. Really good at it. It’s all we’ve seen since Cam. This team is finally starting to build something. Stockpiling promising talent and it may take a bit of time. Building team culture through winning some damn games is huge.

Most building teams go .500 the year before they turn in to serious contenders the following year. Don’t expect more than that this year although it’d be nice to do better.

Josh Allens and Mahomes don’t exactly grow on trees. 

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If we get the same Bryce that started the first two games of last season, they have to consider making a significant investment at the position again.

If we get the Bryce that played the last seven games of the season, then take the fifth-year bonus option leading into his fourth season so that there's plenty of time to negotiate a second deal.

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20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, given that massive trade he'd pretty much have to be Mahomes 2.0 to ever live up to that status. It's a sunk cost. It's just whether or not he's a guy you think you can win a SB with or not. If not, you gotta look for a guy who is. Pretty much that simple.

I disagree. If he becomes our franchise qb that trade was worth it

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