Xavier Legette has checked out. I see no fight in this manman

[frankw]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, that was one of Cam's key messages to him. Like man, you gotta focus on FOOTBALL FIRST. All these other opportunities likely vanish if you let yourself wash out of the league. I really don't think the Panthers did him on favors focusing on him so prominently in their marketing. He was a guy coming off a less than stellar rookie season that we were hoping would make a leap but the Panthers got out ahead of themselves and treated him like he'd arrive because they saw his marketability but that hinged on him delivering on the field. Right now everyone is looking a little clownish because they put the cart before the horse.

The Panthers under the Tepper's put way too much emphasis on marketing and winning social media instead of improving the product on the field. Hell they can't get grass instead of turf right but they're sure eager to hock racoon inspired sandwiches. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that this has yielded negative results.

Edited 2 hours ago by frankw

[strato]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, that was one of Cam's key messages to him. Like man, you gotta focus on FOOTBALL FIRST. All these other opportunities likely vanish if you let yourself wash out of the league. I really don't think the Panthers did him on favors focusing on him so prominently in their marketing. He was a guy coming off a less than stellar rookie season that we were hoping would make a leap but the Panthers got out ahead of themselves and treated him like he'd arrive because they saw his marketability but that hinged on him delivering on the field. Right now everyone is looking a little clownish because they put the cart before the horse.

Yeah I think stuff is in his head big time. I bet he reads the net and  saw what people were saying about him, all offseason. Which I thought was unfair (and telling, that a lot of people who won’t hear a bad word about Bryce, went all in on XL). 

Then he fuged up the 1st play of that preseason game getting thrown out. Then the first game he pulls a couple of bonehead moves, probably saw people talking about him more. It isn’t good in any event but feeling hate from your fan base probably did a number on him. Seems like a real nice guy, that maybe is too sensitive. 
 

I am sure someone will try to help I’m get his mind wrapped around how he Has to respond and if he goes into a shell and doesn’t fight back it’s over for him. 

[Tr3ach]

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Ladd was obviously the pick, but we decided to take the big swing. I realize that most here don't see that as an excuse, but I'm just saying that I understand, even if I don't love what it's come to. Teams that are rebuilding from the studs should probably take a more conservative approach. 

I dont think "raw" 5th year seniors are big swing guys personally.   

[PNW_PantherMan]

19 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I dont think "raw" 5th year seniors are big swing guys personally.   

Big swing on a ball in the dirt 

[tukafan21]

6 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

There's just zero reason for taking a non-QB project player in the 1st round.  Just landing serviceable players would greatly improve the roster.  But we continue to pass it up for fools gold every year.

I mean, to be fair, we've really only missed on 2 first round picks since 2016, they just happened to be the last 2 years before hitting again this year with T-Mac.

Hell, looking back even further, we're just historically great at not screwing up the 1st round since 2001.

The worst 1st round picks we've had since then are... XL, Bryce, Butler, Otah, and KB.

The next worst pick other than those 5 since 2001 would probably be between Star and Ickey.

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I mean, to be fair, we've really only missed on 2 first round picks since 2016, they just happened to be the last 2 years before hitting again this year with T-Mac.

Hell, looking back even further, we're just historically great at not screwing up the 1st round since 2001.

The worst 1st round picks we've had since then are... XL, Bryce, Butler, Otah, and KB.

The next worst pick other than those 5 since 2001 would probably be between Star and Ickey.

Yea first round isn’t accurate.  But there have been several players we over drafted instead of taking the obvious pick.

[tukafan21]

21 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yea first round isn’t accurate.  But there have been several players we over drafted instead of taking the obvious pick.

Oh 1 million percent true.

Everything after the 1st, we fall for the fools gold year after year, thinking we're going to take these raw high RAS score type of guys and turn them into stars but never can.

But we've been amazingly rock solid in the 1st since 2001, I honestly wonder how many other teams have had as many long term starters at the rate we've had.  

In our last 24 1st round picks, setting aside Bryce and XL, Butler would be the biggest bust, KB exploded and then fell apart, but that seemed more on him than a missed evaluation, and Otah also started out great but then injuries derailed his carer, so not really a "miss" either.

The other 19 (if including T-Mac) were starters and true impact players as career long Panthers until we decided to move on from them through trade, release, or we didn't want to re-sign late in their career, with all of them except Burns having signed a 2nd contract with us as well.  Star and Peppers are our only 1st rounders since 2001 to leave through free agency after their contracts expired.

Morgan, Peppers, Gross, Gamble, TD, Deangelo, Beason, Stewart, Otah, Cam, Kuechly,  Star, KB, Shaq, Butler, CMC, DJ, Burns, Brown, Horn, Ickey, Bryce, XL, T-Mac

Really a wild run over 25 years

Edited 6 minutes ago by tukafan21

[ClawOn]

4 hours ago, AceMan said:

Not seeing the dawg mentality, Dan

I think he wants it as bad as anyone. Something in his brain just doesn't fire on game days.