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Greg Cosell: Bryce Young is a complimentary piece

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Cosell is great and correct in this case. Just as interesting was the next subject and the Dick Vermeil quote (when you take a guy 1 the whole building must be focused on making him succeed) and how the Titans were doing a bad job of that. We surrounded a complimentary piece with a joke of a wr corp, oline, coach. LOL.  30M is too expensive for a complimentary piece.  

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53 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But we're not talking about 90% of QBs in NFL history. We're talking about a guy who we traded a fortune for to draft #1 overall. It's about whether or not we pick up his 5th year option. Any thoughts of a long-term contract should be completely off the table. You can honestly get Bryce Young level play from a journeyman vet backup and it'll cost a lot less than his 5th year option.

Can't wait to see the Bryce stans blaming our RBs when they aren't going for 200+ yards to carry Bryce and he regresses.

Agree with your post 99%. The only point I’ll make is I don’t care about sunk cost anymore. If we hadn’t traded a thing for him and gotten him in whatever round it doesn’t matter to me because 3 years in and he’s simply just not the guy.
 

Just my .02 

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6 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Agree with your post 99%. The only point I’ll make is I don’t care about sunk cost anymore. If we hadn’t traded a thing for him and gotten him in whatever round it doesn’t matter to me because 3 years in and he’s simply just not the guy.
 

Just my .02 

I wouldn't care about it if I didn't think it would play into the Panthers' decision making process. It is what it is. We made a colossal mistake. I just hope we don't allow the hesitation to admit that colossal mistake lead to another one.

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Didnt watch the video, but I agree Bryce is 100% a complimentary piece right now. No argument there. But to be fair, there are only a handful of QBs that aren't. Lamar. Pat. Josh. Maybe Stafford. Herbert. Maybe Dak? Though not sure how good he would have looked last week without Pickens. A franchise QB can be a complimentary piece.

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16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But we're not talking about 90% of QBs in NFL history. We're talking about a guy who we traded a fortune for to draft #1 overall. It's about whether or not we pick up his 5th year option. Any thoughts of a long-term contract should be completely off the table. You can honestly get Bryce Young level play from a journeyman vet backup and it'll cost a lot less than his 5th year option.

Can't wait to see the Bryce stans blaming our RBs when they aren't going for 200+ yards to carry Bryce and he regresses.

You cant be concerned with cost of the trade anymore.   That deal is done and has been done. 

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18 hours ago, electro's horse said:

He'll probably be fine this week against the Jets but yeah then things are gonna get real. 

He will probably be fine if Rico goes nuts.  But if not, Bryce operates on about a coin flip scenario of being horrible any given Sunday pretty much regardless of opponent. 

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18 minutes ago, CRA said:

He will probably be fine if Rico does nuts.  But if not, Bryce operates on about a coin flip scenario of being horrible any given Sunday pretty much regardless of opponent. 

The Jets are better at run stuffing than stopping the pass, as are we.  Both teams struggle to throw the ball with consistency.  It’s gonna come down to who makes more plays, Bryce or Fields?

This game could end up as a kicker’s showcase.

 

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3 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Didnt watch the video, but I agree Bryce is 100% a complimentary piece right now. No argument there. But to be fair, there are only a handful of QBs that aren't. Lamar. Pat. Josh. Maybe Stafford. Herbert. Maybe Dak? Though not sure how good he would have looked last week without Pickens. A franchise QB can be a complimentary piece.

If I had to parse it out, there's still a good to bad scale for both the centerpiece QB and complimentary types.  The idea isn't that they're all elite, but have the traits so that the teams are built for them, rather than them just being inserted in. 

Some just don't lift the team enough, others do (Allen/Mahomes/etc.). But it can be a gradual process (not always instant) where maybe they started as complimentary early and grew into a stud the team eventually built around.

Centerpiece:

Josh Allen

Patrick Mahomes

Matthew Stafford

Lamar Jackson

Joe Burrow

Justin Herbert

Jayden Daniels

Drake Maye

Dak Prescott

CJ Stroud

Trevor Lawrence 

Caleb Williams

Jordan Love

Kyler Murray (worst of this bunch)

Complimentary

Brock Purdy

Jalen Hurts

Dillon Gabriel

Tua 

 

Unsure So-far:

Jaxon Dart

Michael Penix

JJ McCarthy

Bo Nix

Cam Ward

Vet who was inserted and then sorta built-around:

Jared Goff

Baker Mayfield

Sam Darnold

Daniel Jones

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

If I had to parse it out, there's still a good to bad scale for both the centerpiece QB and complimentary types.  The idea isn't that they're all elite, but have the traits so that the teams are built for them, rather than them just being inserted in. 

Some just don't lift the team enough, others do (Allen/Mahomes/etc.). But it can be a gradual process (not always instant) where maybe they started as complimentary early and grew into a stud the team eventually built around.

Centerpiece:

Josh Allen

Patrick Mahomes

Matthew Stafford

Lamar Jackson

Joe Burrow

Justin Herbert

Jayden Daniels

Drake Maye

Dak Prescott

CJ Stroud

Trevor Lawrence 

Caleb Williams

Jordan Love

Kyler Murray (worst of this bunch)

Complimentary

Brock Purdy

Jalen Hurts

Dillon Gabriel

Tua 

 

Unsure So-far:

Jaxon Dart

Michael Penix

JJ McCarthy

Bo Nix

Cam Ward

Vet who was inserted and then sorta built-around:

Jared Goff

Baker Mayfield

Sam Darnold

Daniel Jones

Agree with your premise basically completely, though I might move some people around - especially the vets at the end... Goff and Mayfield look like centerpiece players now, and Darnold I'd say is around the top of the complimentary. Daniel Jones is still unknown.

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