D and D is the answer.

[WarHeel]

21 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I guess people don't understand what ceiling means

Ceiling in context would imply it is reached more than once a year. 
 

1 or 2 games per season of 300+ yardage that mostly happens in garbage time when trying to mount a comeback with the opposing team playing soft defense up front is not consistent with what many would define as an elevation worthy of aspiring.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Am I the only one that expected this to be about Dan and Dave?

[jfra78]

9 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Ceiling in context would imply it is reached more than once a year. 
 

1 or 2 games per season of 300+ yardage that mostly happens in garbage time when trying to mount a comeback with the opposing team playing soft defense up front is not consistent with what many would define as an elevation worthy of aspiring.

Lol I'm the furthest from a Bryce apologist but there is enough to complain about without creating false narratives. To say his ceiling is 100 to 150 when most of his games have been above that is creating a false narrative.  

[Mage]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Lol I'm the furthest from a Bryce apologist but there is enough to complain about without creating false narratives. To say his ceiling is 100 to 150 when most of his games have been above that is creating a false narrative.  

It isn't that far off.  He only has 1 game this season with more than 200 passing yards, and in that one game, a lot of it came when the game was out of hand.

Among qualified passers, he is 33 out of 34 QBs in Y/A.  I think it is fair to say that generally speaking, his ceiling is about 150-170 passing yards.  Yeah there will be aberrations but considering he's averaging 176 YPG after 38 games, how can you argue his ceiling is anything else?  Only 12 times in 38 games has he cleared 200+.  Cam Ward already has 5 such games this year (9 games played).  Darnold had 15 in his first 2 years.

Not that yards are the be all, end all.  But hard to argue his ceiling (on average) is anything else.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

so basically fox/rivera/wilks ball

[Diehardpanth02]

5 hours ago, Jmac said:

Defense and Dowdle is the ticket. One hundred to one fifty yards a game is Youngs ceiling. Let him use his legs in situations where he can get some positive yards. He will never be a gun slinger, throwing darts all over the field.

A "game manager" is obviously his skill set. Taking the throws he can make and not making stupid mistakes is his game.They can win with this formula, they have no choice. Supplement Chuba when needed. This win wasn't luck.

Keep Pounding

 

 

 

Was just explaining this to some dummy named Willy in another thread. I think he was just smoking’ too much cheese.  This has been going on for ages. Trent dilfer got all the ladies and threw just as many interceptions as he did see dem TDs. This was the more violent era of football. The soft mfrs wanna see the passing TDs but the truth is that ain’t what ultimately wins football games. It’s a STRONG D, and an unstoppable run game, with some passes to keep the defense honest, if for a TD great.

in fact I would venture to say that the two panthers super bowls consisted of the same except cam threw more tds than interceptions and could run like Jamal Lewis and priest Holmes.

its a tale as old as time. Something all ball knowers understand.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Diehardpanth02
Smoking’ too much cheez

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, Mage said:

It isn't that far off.  He only has 1 game this season with more than 200 passing yards, and in that one game, a lot of it came when the game was out of hand.

Among qualified passers, he is 33 out of 34 QBs in Y/A.  I think it is fair to say that generally speaking, his ceiling is about 150-170 passing yards.  Yeah there will be aberrations but considering he's averaging 176 YPG after 38 games, how can you argue his ceiling is anything else?  Only 12 times in 38 games has he cleared 200+.  Cam Ward already has 5 such games this year (9 games played).  Darnold had 15 in his first 2 years.

Not that yards are the be all, end all.  But hard to argue his ceiling (on average) is anything else.

I think there may be a difference of opinion of if limit / ceiling refers to typical games or the best possible outting by him. For some ceiling is meant in a career sense (what I think you mean) and others it's in a per game sense. I get both sides... if someone says game manager is a player's ceiling they don't mean they'll never possibly lead a team to victory on their shoulders ever, just not something consistent. But that isn't technically what ceiling refers to usually outside a sports players projections for a career 

Edited 8 hours ago by mav1234

[Gapanthersfan]

For Bryce’s obvious shortcomings (bad pun), there is upside to his game. This isn’t being a homer or apologists, but I like to consider myself fair in criticism. 

He’s far tougher than I ever thought he’d be. I really thought homie would have been broken in half by now. I don’t know how he’s not, but he’s not. 

He is prone to turning the ball over early in games which digs a huge hole the team is not built to come back from, but dude DOES come up with crucial first down in crucial situations. It’s NEVER pretty, but he just kind of has the shining. He gets bailed out LOTS, and the team still loses games because of him, but he’s a bit of an enigma. He’s a turnover machine that is clutch in big moments. 

He’s a smart/elusive cat. He kind of has to be with his limitations. His audibles are almost always correct and he understands coverages. I don’t see him getting fooled too frequently. His turnovers are almost never the ‘damnit Jake/Cam!’ brand we have been accustomed to. They are ALWAYS due to his size/strength limitations.  Strip sacks that shouldn’t be. Picks that happened because he just don’t got that NFL arm. He is still prone to panicking and the wheels can and do fall off at a much higher rate than his peers. 

The team is winning on the backs of the defense, running game and special teams… but they’re winning, and unbelievably 1 game behind Tampa. As long as this is happening and Bryce doesn’t go full meltdown, Dave is going to keep him in. He is not getting pulled. 

[Donald LaFell]

5 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

so basically fox/rivera/wilks ball

It works very well it’s just frustrating because it can win enough games to keep those three coaches employed even when they don’t innovate or ever make a decision that doesn’t come from a chart. If they weren’t so robotic in their decision making they’d be in the top tier of NFL coaches. 

[kungfoodude]

Bryce's Career To Date passing yards by games. Includes two games he did not start but played.

2023(179.8/GM)

Less Than 100: 1

101-150: 4

151-200: 6

201-250: 4

251+: 1

2024(171.6/GM)

Less Than 100: 3

101-150: 1

151-200: 3

201-250: 3

251+: 3

2025(173.8/GM)

Less Than 100: 0

101-150: 4

151-200: 3

201-250: 0

251+: 1

Percentage of Games

Less Than 100: 10.5%

101-150: 23.7%

151-200: 31.6%

201-250: 18.4%

251+: 13.2%

 

 

So, in 2/3 of his career games played he is under 201 yards passing.

[MechaZain]

10 hours ago, Jmac said:

Defense and Dowdle is the ticket. One hundred to one fifty yards a game is Youngs ceiling. Let him use his legs in situations where he can get some positive yards. He will never be a gun slinger, throwing darts all over the field.

A "game manager" is obviously his skill set. Taking the throws he can make and not making stupid mistakes is his game.They can win with this formula, they have no choice. Supplement Chuba when needed. This win wasn't luck.

Keep Pounding

This was always the plan with Bryce. It shouldn't be controversial. Now he's just gotta get to where defenses fear his accuracy and it'll open up the field for Rico 

[kungfoodude]

Bryce versus his fellow 2023 QB Class in 300+ yard passing games per game started.

CJ Stroud(9 of 40): 22.5%

Aidan O'Connell(1 of 17): 5.9%

Bryce Young(2 of 36): 5.6%

Will Levis(1 of 21): 4.8%

Anthony Richardson(0 of 15): 0.0%

Dorian Thompson-Robinson(0 of 5): 0.0%

Jaren Hall(0 of 2): 0.0%

McKee(0 of 1): 0.0%

Jake Haener(0 of 1): 0.0%

Clayton Tune(0 of 1): 0.0%

[bythenbrs]

So it’s come down to this: To make our ‘super processor’ successful, we need a run heavy offense to keep the ball out of his hands and minimize turnovers, along with a stout defense that keeps the other teams offense off the field and make it a low scoring game.  Sweet.

Welcome back, ‘Fox ball’.

[mrcompletely11]

12 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Lol I'm the furthest from a Bryce apologist but there is enough to complain about without creating false narratives. To say his ceiling is 100 to 150 when most of his games have been above that is creating a false narrative.  

go look at his game stats, pretty revealing.  The league has figured him out