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SI: Time For Panthers to Move On From Bryce Young - Bryce is statistically the worst QB in the NFL since being drafted.


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An article from SI shared by @Gregg S in another thread that deserved a closer look.  Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.


https://www.si.com/nfl/time-for-panthers-to-move-on-from-bryce-young

Young was brilliant against the Falcons in a 30–27 overtime win last weekend, throwing for 448 yards and three touchdowns. In his other 10 starts, Young has 1,673 yards with 12 touchdowns and nine interceptions on 5.6 YPA. 

Ultimately, none of it matters if Canales and general manager Dan Morgan can’t find better play at the game’s paramount position. Going into Monday night, Young had started 38 games (playing in 40). His career EPA is -269.1. For comparison, the embattled Tua Tagovailoa has started 39 games over that same span. His EPA is 123.1.

Since Young entered the NFL in 2023, he ranks 32nd of 32 qualifying quarterbacks (minimum of 900 plays) in EPA + CPOE at 0.029. He’s also last in success rate (41.9%) and EPA per play (-0.074). In short, he’s the worst quarterback in football since joining the NFL after starring at Alabama. 

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1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

An article from SI shared by @Gregg S in another thread that deserved a closer looks. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.


https://www.si.com/nfl/time-for-panthers-to-move-on-from-bryce-young

Young was brilliant against the Falcons in a 30–27 overtime win last weekend, throwing for 448 yards and three touchdowns. In his other 10 starts, Young has 1,673 yards with 12 touchdowns and nine interceptions on 5.6 YPA. 

 

Ultimately, none of it matters if Canales and general manager Dan Morgan can’t find better play at the game’s paramount position. Going into Monday night, Young had started 38 games (playing in 40). His career EPA is -269.1. For comparison, the embattled Tua Tagovailoa has started 39 games over that same span. His EPA is 123.1.

Since Young entered the NFL in 2023, he ranks 32nd of 32 qualifying quarterbacks (minimum of 900 plays) in EPA + CPOE at 0.029. He’s also last in success rate (41.9%) and EPA per play (-0.074). In short, he’s the worst quarterback in football since joining the NFL after starring at Alabama. 

Godalmighty, to see it laid out like that, and to know he still has people that support him, is just bat poo crazy

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This post is not defending Bryce young, but I do want to be as fair as possible.

Bryce's rookie year: Throw it out. Period. That was the most dysfunctional situation I've ever seen in the NFL.  Not just for the rookie QB, but for everyone involved. Fairly certain we had coaches on staff that weren't speaking to one another by the end of that season. The hatred was real. That said, he (Bryce) still hasn't been good enough. I would love to see these numbers without that season.  If anybody has a link for that, I'd appreciate it. 

Play calling. Canales has to make a decision about who we want to be. We jerk so much between trying to be a slow, methodical, efficient offense, and then going no huddle and throwing it all over the yard. I think part of the reason Bryce has the comebacks is because of course he's more consistent when we are throwing it all over the yard.  I think he's better when we are throwing it all over the yard. But that doesn't seem to be what Canales wants to do. This hybrid may be a coaches dream, and guys like Brady may have been able to do it, but Bryce simply can't. 

Edit: This hybrid/indecision in the playcalling and scheme is literally the reason Bryce has so many game winning drives. We try to play slow, and methodical, and take the air out of the ball every single game, every single possession, until the time and score dictate that we can't. Sometimes it works, and we dominate. In most games, we get about 6 possessions, and so does the other team, and it comes down to who plays better in the 4th quarter. When it doesn't work at all, we are trailing late, and have to go all gas no breaks. When we slow the game down, it's more than likely going to be a one score affair. This is also part of why our record correlates so closely with whether or not we win the opening coin toss. It's almost impossible to win the way we are playing if you don't win the "middle eight." 

I'm just not sure Bryce is the guy for the system Canales appears to want to run. I'm honestly not sure Chuba is the back for it either. 

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1 minute ago, Jaxel said:

Really need to bring in some competition next year. Draft a 2nd or 3rd round guy, and bring in a Zach Wilson/ Will Levis to compete. Need something.

We are past the point of bringing in competition. We need a new QB room, no reason to keep any of this garbage around past this season. 

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9 minutes ago, ImfromClayton said:

This post is not defending Bryce young, but I do want to be as fair as possible.

Bryce's rookie year: Throw it out. Period. That was the most dysfunctional situation I've ever seen in the NFL.  Not just for the rookie QB, but for everyone involved. Fairly certain we had coaches on staff that weren't speaking to one another by the end of that season. The hatred was real. That said, he (Bryce) still hasn't been good enough. I would love to see these numbers without that season.  If anybody has a link for that, I'd appreciate it. 

Play calling. Canales has to make a decision about who we want to be. We jerk so much between trying to be a slow, methodical, efficient offense, and then going no huddle and throwing it all over the yard. I think part of the reason Bryce has the comebacks is because of course he's more consistent when we are throwing it all over the yard.  I think he's better when we are throwing it all over the yard. But that doesn't seem to be what Canales wants to do. This hybrid may be a coaches dream, and guys like Brady may have been able to do it, but Bryce simply can't. 

 

We tried throwing it all over the yard last night it didn't work. 

We even threw it in goal line situations it didn't work. 

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I've faced the reality that we need a new QB.  I have been a very strong supporter of Young but not anymore.  We are spinning our wheels if DC, DM and DT believe Young is the Answer.  Look how quickly SF moved on from Willis.  They realized he wasn't who they thought he was.  Got Lucky with Purdy.  

We have to face the same reality.  Until than every season Young is here we will be begging for .500. 

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But in slight defense of Bryce those rollouts are horrible and Canales just calls them over and over.

They either result with a unblocked  defender in Bryce's face and he has to dirt the ball or Bryce hesitating and unsure of the throw before scrambling for 2 yards. 

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13 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I've faced the reality that we need a new QB.  I have been a very strong supporter of Young but not anymore.  We are spinning our wheels if DC, DM and DT believe Young is the Answer.  Look how quickly SF moved on from Willis.  They realized he wasn't who they thought he was.  Got Lucky with Purdy.  

We have to face the same reality.  Until than every season Young is here we will be begging for .500. 

Till morale breaks down then its  .000

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