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I'm curious as to what the armchair GM's here who are against trading for Watson think is going to happen if we continue to play it conservatively and just stock pile draft picks. How long do we wait before addressing QB?

Mac Jones at #8? Hope we're bad enough to get the #1 pick next year? Draft someone else in the 2nd or 3rd round or later and hope we get the next Russell Wilson or Tom Brady instead of the usual backup or washout teams get with QBs after the 1st round? Ride with Teddy until he's ready to retire?

The Rams haven't had a 1st round pick since 2016 and won't have one again until at least 2024, and yet since 2017 they're 43-21 with a Super Bowl appearance and will go into next season as a legitimate contender to get back there.

Despite what conventional wisdom may say, there are more ways than one to build a winner. To be so disliked by so many on this board, it seems Jerry Richardson's philosophy of team building remains in vogue with many people here. How many 1st rounders did Marty Hurney hit on? Pretty much ALL of them, and yet what did we really win during his tenure(s) as GM? One NFC title + 2 division titles in 15 years between his 2 stints as GM.

The Rams have done exactly the same since 2017 and they've done it without a single 1st round pick during that time.

Look, I'm as big a fan of CMC, D.J. Moore, Brian Burns, and Derrick Brown as anyone. We've had a great run of 1st round picks, but the truth is the value of a true elite franchise QB eclipses all four of those guys combined. That's not to say I'm advocating trading all of them as part of a Watson deal (you want to keep enough talent around him that you're not in a total rebuild on offense) but what I am saying is we could draft 3 players of comparable talent with our next 3 1st rounders and unless one of them is a top-tier franchise QB (let's be honest, QBs are always a crapshoot) then we'd still be worse off come 2023 than we would be with Deshaun Watson under center.

And that assumes we hit on our next 3 picks in the 1st round. Sure, they could all be CMC or Brian Burns, but they could also be Shaq Thompson and Vernon Butler. There's just no way of knowing what we'd be getting, but there is a way to land a franchise QB: trade for Deshaun Watson.

I'm sure we won't be the only team interested, but we MUST try and every signal the organization has sent this offseason indicates that we absolutely WILL try.

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15 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I'm curious as to what the armchair GM's here who are against trading for Watson think is going to happen if we continue to play it conservatively and just stock pile draft picks. How long do we wait before addressing QB?

The Rams haven't had a 1st round pick since 2016 and won't have one again until at least 2024, and yet since 2017 they're 43-21 with a Super Bowl appearance and will go into next season as a legitimate contender to get back there.

 

The Rams have done exactly the same since 2017 and they've done it without a single 1st round pick during that time.

 

And that assumes we hit on our next 3 picks in the 1st round. Sure, they could all be CMC or Brian Burns, but they could also be Shaq Thompson and Vernon Butler. There's just no way of knowing what we'd be getting, but there is a way to land a franchise QB: trade for Deshaun Watson.

I'm sure we won't be the only team interested, but we MUST try and every signal the organization has sent this offseason indicates that we absolutely WILL try.

1:  A good qb can only mask so much.  I frankly do not think there is any sense in trading for Watson with the current state of the offensive line.  As sick as some people are with the bandaid approach at qb, we've tried the bandaid approach at o-line for years and failed at it.   So has Seattle.  We had years to give Cam Newton help and failed at that too.  If we get Watson I do not want to see him obliterated too.

2:  The Rams' model is eventually going to bite them in the ass and let's face it, at the end of the day, your goal is to win a Super Bowl.  To this point, McVay has not.

3:  You are correct in that we don't know what the draft will bring, but we also don't know what vet qbs may be available next year when we're in a better position as far as depth to try to better able protect them.  Hell, this Watson situation could drag on so long and get so heated he just retires in lieu of being traded.

4:  In order to try to trade for him, the Texans have to actually be interested in doing so.  There has never been any indication this is the case.

I am quite cognizant of your desire to get Watson.  It may not happen and all available evidence suggests to embrace that possibility.

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20 minutes ago, bigskypanthersguy said:

1:  A good qb can only mask so much.  I frankly do not think there is any sense in trading for Watson with the current state of the offensive line.  As sick as some people are with the bandaid approach at qb, we've tried the bandaid approach at o-line for years and failed at it.   So has Seattle.  We had years to give Cam Newton help and failed at that too.  If we get Watson I do not want to see him obliterated too.

2:  The Rams' model is eventually going to bite them in the ass and let's face it, at the end of the day, your goal is to win a Super Bowl.  To this point, McVay has not.

3:  You are correct in that we don't know what the draft will bring, but we also don't know what vet qbs may be available next year when we're in a better position as far as depth to try to better able protect them.  Hell, this Watson situation could drag on so long and get so heated he just retires in lieu of being traded.

4:  In order to try to trade for him, the Texans have to actually be interested in doing so.  There has never been any indication this is the case.

I am quite cognizant of your desire to get Watson.  It may not happen and all available evidence suggests to embrace that possibility.

Why do you just assume the OL has to be garbage if we get Watson? Our cap situation will improve SIGNIFICANTLY next year and we always have the option of restructuring some contracts to create cap space for this year. There's no reason we can't re-sign Moton, draft another tackle in the 2nd round, and sign a couple of solid veterans for a year or two.

Not saying we wouldn't have to continue to build the OL after that, but it's not like we'd have the worst OL in football either.

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I can honestly see us making the playoffs with Bridgewater. We have talent on this team and our division is meh outside of Tampa. NFC as a whole (judging from last year) is much weaker than the AFC. 
 

If Bridgewater cleans up his red zone turnovers and CMC helps our red zone scoring (which I think he will), we could scrap together a decent push. We would likely fall short in the playoffs though, going against a team with a playmaking QB. But after losing about 6 or so games last year by one possession, I think we can be competitive now. 
 

Will that further screw us out of a franchise QB? Probably. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe we luck out and take a sleeper late in the 1st one year or in the second and they pan out. 
 

Also, please trade for Watson. Haha!

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9 minutes ago, mbarbour21 said:

I can honestly see us making the playoffs with Bridgewater. We have talent on this team and our division is meh outside of Tampa. NFC as a whole (judging from last year) is much weaker than the AFC. 
 

If Bridgewater cleans up his red zone turnovers and CMC helps our red zone scoring (which I think he will), we could scrap together a decent push. We would likely fall short in the playoffs though, going against a team with a playmaking QB. But after losing about 6 or so games last year by one possession, I think we can be competitive now. 
 

Will that further screw us out of a franchise QB? Probably. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe we luck out and take a sleeper late in the 1st one year or in the second and they pan out. 
 

Also, please trade for Watson. Haha!

We won’t make the playoffs as long as Teddy is our QB. 

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55 minutes ago, bigskypanthersguy said:

1:  A good qb can only mask so much.  I frankly do not think there is any sense in trading for Watson with the current state of the offensive line.  As sick as some people are with the bandaid approach at qb, we've tried the bandaid approach at o-line for years and failed at it.   So has Seattle.  We had years to give Cam Newton help and failed at that too.  If we get Watson I do not want to see him obliterated too.

2:  The Rams' model is eventually going to bite them in the ass and let's face it, at the end of the day, your goal is to win a Super Bowl.  To this point, McVay has not.

3:  You are correct in that we don't know what the draft will bring, but we also don't know what vet qbs may be available next year when we're in a better position as far as depth to try to better able protect them.  Hell, this Watson situation could drag on so long and get so heated he just retires in lieu of being traded.

4:  In order to try to trade for him, the Texans have to actually be interested in doing so.  There has never been any indication this is the case.

I am quite cognizant of your desire to get Watson.  It may not happen and all available evidence suggests to embrace that possibility.

What we did spamming picks on defense last year... we can do that on the OL too. There's also free agency and there will be some surprise cap casualties. I don't expect us to be signing marquee FAs, but you don't have to spend huge money to upgrade from what we currently have.

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