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Grier thoughts on Darnold (conversation from other thread)

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6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

WG was highly regarded heading into the draft because he's a great guy and he interviewed well. 

It had very little to do with his skill as a QB. Everyone just liked the guy.

I'd have been an early 2nd round pick by those measures!

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7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

WG was highly regarded heading into the draft because he's a great guy and he interviewed well. 

It had very little to do with his skill as a QB. Everyone just liked the guy.

He was one of those guys who was a decently hot name early on because pundits see stats. But the more feedback the pundits got from actual scouts, the further he fell down draft boards. Actual NFL talent evaluators were just never high on the guy.

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24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He was one of those guys who was a decently hot name early on because pundits see stats. But the more feedback the pundits got from actual scouts, the further he fell down draft boards. Actual NFL talent evaluators were just never high on the guy.

Hurney never got the memo. He was kind of the David Newton of GMs.

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i think rolling the dice on him was fine. no one has any idea who's going to hit and grier had a good enough body of work that it was justified at where he was. you never know which guys are going to figure it out and which guys are, like grier apparently, just not good enough at seeing it. 

maybe not in the third but hurney always drafted players a round too early. if he could have drafted his first rounders the day before he would have. 

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16 hours ago, PandaMan said:

Unless he’s shown tremendous improvement, I don’t see him being on the roster after this year (if he even makes the roster at all).  He was very, very bad and last year’s weird offseason didn’t help his development any.  

Grier is another victim of Hurney’s idiocy.  Poor guy never had a shot.  Hasn’t performed well enough to earn one either.  The game is fast.  Really fast. He’s a good kid and probably a steady presence in the QB room.  That is the extent of his ability to impact this team.  Cheerleader with a clip board.

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7 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Grier is another victim of Hurney’s idiocy.  Poor guy never had a shot.  Hasn’t performed well enough to earn one either.  The game is fast.  Really fast. He’s a good kid and probably a steady presence in the QB room.  That is the extent of his ability to impact this team.  Cheerleader with a clip board.

I will say, the more I read and watch of WG talking, the more you like the kid.  He's got a pretty high likeability factor.  It would be great if he could develop into a decent #2, but if he's not good enough, then that's the kiss of death for him.  

I won't feel bad.  He's got a hot wife, his health, and he's made some decent money on his NFL contract.  And heck, he could still get ANOTHER contract as a back up.  WAS and BUF come to mind...

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4 hours ago, d-dave said:

I will say, the more I read and watch of WG talking, the more you like the kid.  He's got a pretty high likeability factor.  It would be great if he could develop into a decent #2, but if he's not good enough, then that's the kiss of death for him.  

I won't feel bad.  He's got a hot wife, his health, and he's made some decent money on his NFL contract.  And heck, he could still get ANOTHER contract as a back up.  WAS and BUF come to mind...

Oh yeah, I don’t want to throw a pity party for him.  Hes gonna be fine I’m sure.  He’ll move back to WV and sell real estate or coach a private HS team.  I’m not worried for his future.

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18 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Nobody thought he was a steal in the 3rd.  He floats his passes and doesnt go through his progressions.  The spread offense masked his limits and inflated his numbers.  He is not good

Well, I do know of one guy who thought he had a first round grade.

I think that guy went somewhere else, though (I forget where) 🤔

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On 5/24/2021 at 6:08 PM, Seltzer said:

Grier was really good in college, and many pundits thought he was a steal in the 3rd round, and some guys thought he was better than Daniel Jones who was taken top 10...

I watch a lot WVU football and I think he is being completely honest... Grier was awesome in the wide-open spread offense of the BIG 12 where he was usually only making 1 read... like he said, the game is much faster at the pro level, and defenses are much quicker and better at disguising coverage... Grier has the physical skills to be a NFL QB

Hurney made plenty of mistakes, including Grier IMO given our other needs, but he certainly wasn't alone in thinking Grier was a good value with upside where he was picked.  I think Grier will have solid preseason, but as long as Brady and Rhule have their obsession with Tommy Stevens, I don't see a path for him being on the 53 man roster... maybe we can trade him for a conditional 7th or something to a team looking for a 3rd QB near roster cuts.

I'd be surprised if we find a trade partner for him.  He just did not perform well in the games.    I agree though, the dudes on the bubble, that's for sure. 

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