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CJ Henderson


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19 minutes ago, BrianS said:

If CJ can just turn into an average NFL starter for us, that pick we sent over was as good as gold.  He doesn't need to be amazing, just good.

Yeah. anything better than average means we really did well in that trade.

Was a little disappointed he didn't look that good last year but hopefully he can get it together. He has a lot less pressure being a 3rd round pick here than the top 10 pick he was in Jacksonville. 

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If CJ steps up and plays to his draft potential, or even 75% of that, we will have one of the best starting trios of CBs in the entire NFL.  That will go a very long way to making our defense good.  

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It was still a dumb trade to give up a high 3rd rounder if the plan was resigning Donte. Basically, we have a cheap CJ for two years (his 5th year will not be cheap as a top 10 pick) but we only have the slot CB spot open with Horn and Donte. Lots of good players at a lot of spots (LB, OL) we’re available at pick 70. Heck, we could have just kept our 2023 3rd and 2022 4th and taken Corral there.

It just sucks the lack of foresight our GM has had in these trades or pushback. We backed up the Brinks truck to enrich the Jets and Jags with great picks for guys who likely would have been way cheaper later. Somehow we thought they were great and had to have them only to sign another CB in Gilmore, resign Donte and draft a QB/try to trade for multiple QBs. CJ looks to be another wasted pick given his limited opportunities regardless if he becomes decent. 

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

It was still a dumb trade to give up a high 3rd rounder if the plan was resigning Donte. Basically, we have a cheap CJ for two years (his 5th year will not be cheap as a top 10 pick) but we only have the slot CB spot open with Horn and Donte. Lots of good players at a lot of spots (LB, OL) we’re available at pick 70. Heck, we could have just kept our 2023 3rd and 2022 4th and taken Corral there.

It just sucks the lack of foresight our GM has had in these trades or pushback. We backed up the Brinks truck to enrich the Jets and Jags with great picks for guys who likely would have been way cheaper later. Somehow we thought they were great and had to have them only to sign another CB in Gilmore, resign Donte and draft a QB/try to trade for multiple QBs. CJ looks to be another wasted pick given his limited opportunities regardless if he becomes decent. 

How do you figure?  How could they know at the time they made that trade what Donte might be thinking as far as his value?  If CJ turns into a starting CB, we can flip him for better than what we paid.

In a league that values passing so much, having three good CB's is never a problem.  Teams are playing nickel packages somewhere between 60 and 70 percent of the time.

CJ becoming a starter can only benefit us in every way.  It's a question of whether he does or not.

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1 minute ago, BrianS said:

How do you figure?  How could they know at the time they made that trade what Donte might be thinking as far as his value?  If CJ turns into a starting CB, we can flip him for better than what we paid.

In a league that values passing so much, having three good CB's is never a problem.  Teams are playing nickel packages somewhere between 60 and 70 percent of the time.

CJ becoming a starter can only benefit us in every way.  It's a question of whether he does or not.

3 corners start in todays NFL. Nickel/Dime is basically a base defense now. 
 

3rd round pick for a guy with all pro traits is a good trade. 

 

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21 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It was still a dumb trade to give up a high 3rd rounder if the plan was resigning Donte. Basically, we have a cheap CJ for two years (his 5th year will not be cheap as a top 10 pick) but we only have the slot CB spot open with Horn and Donte. Lots of good players at a lot of spots (LB, OL) we’re available at pick 70. Heck, we could have just kept our 2023 3rd and 2022 4th and taken Corral there.

It just sucks the lack of foresight our GM has had in these trades or pushback. We backed up the Brinks truck to enrich the Jets and Jags with great picks for guys who likely would have been way cheaper later. Somehow we thought they were great and had to have them only to sign another CB in Gilmore, resign Donte and draft a QB/try to trade for multiple QBs. CJ looks to be another wasted pick given his limited opportunities regardless if he becomes decent. 

It's not often tha you and I disagree, but this one ... I disagree. In a league where in the near future teams will have 3 cbs making 10mil+ per year ... this was not a bad move. this is a passing league. We went out and got a top talent for a 3rd. There is no one that was in the 3rd round this year's draft that I feel would have been a better player than CJ. Obviously, this is perspective we wont know until a couple years down the road.  Of all of the moves this FO has made, this one is at the bottom of the list of something that Im worried about. 

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57 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah. anything better than average means we really did well in that trade.

Was a little disappointed he didn't look that good last year but hopefully he can get it together. He has a lot less pressure being a 3rd round pick here than the top 10 pick he was in Jacksonville. 

He's still in year 3 of his contract, I doubt even if he plays well next year they'll think he's worth the 5th year option for that high of a pick. He might pick things up and play well, just seems essentially like a 2 year rental. For reference Jags took LB Chad Muma with our 3rd round pick, and Nakobe Dean was also still available, those both seem like better long term investments for your "brand/process"

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