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Is Burns really worth backing up a Brinks truck?

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I don’t see where Burns has earned a payday like many think we will have to give him. He gets handled in the run game and often misses easy TFL’s. 
 

Unlike guys like Peppers, Luke, TD and others who would put the D on their back and take over games I can’t remember talking much about Burns ever taking over games. Am I wrong?

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He is under contract in 2023 so we are talking 2024 before we have to pay up. Then contracts are cap friendly in year 1  so really we can keep him for the next two years cheaply. As long as we don't give too much guaranteed money we won't be strapped to him. So we don't have to do anything right now and can see what he does this year and next.  With a new line coach maybe there's room for improvement.  He has the size speed and strength to be a 3 down DE.  He needs to play smarter not harder.

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8 hours ago, panthers55 said:

  He has the size speed and strength to be a 3 down DE.  He needs to play smarter not harder.

Really?  Does he?

Mike Rucker, 6'5", 275

Julius Peppers, 6'7", 295

Charles Johnson, 6'2", 275

Greg Hardy, 6'2", 280

JJ Watt, 6'5", 288

Myles Garret, 6'4", 271

Etc.

Brian Burns, 6'5", 250

 

He's 20 to 30 lbs lighter than a prototypical DE.  That matters.  Burns does not have the size or strength of a typical DE.  He does have exceptional speed.  Frankly, he fits as a 3-4 OLB far far better than he does as a DE.

So far, I am not convinced that Burns will ever be great for us.  He'll be good.  As long as he wants "good" money and not great, all is well.  But paying great money for good production isn't what smart teams do.

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They made this more complex than it had to be. He should have been traded because we aren't the right fit for him, so in that sense he is not worth what we're going to have to pay him. Now we could still get more immediate draft capital...hopefully...because he is still so young and hasn't hit his prime, but I surely wouldn't have bet on that. And, if they want to keep him (which would be ill-advised), we better have a coach in mind that prefers the 3-4 so that Burns can be all that he can be...as a pass rushing LB (ironically in the mold of the much cheaper Haason Reddick).

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9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

He is under contract in 2023 so we are talking 2024 before we have to pay up. Then contracts are cap friendly in year 1  so really we can keep him for the next two years cheaply. As long as we don't give too much guaranteed money we won't be strapped to him. So we don't have to do anything right now and can see what he does this year and next.  With a new line coach maybe there's room for improvement.  He has the size speed and strength to be a 3 down DE.  He needs to play smarter not harder.

They will extend him in the offseason to free up cap space for 2023

 

Also to be a more complete player he needs to add at least 20 lbs of muscle, I just dont see that happening

 

In closing, fug you fat neck fitt.  I truly hope your ass is canned you fuging moron

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I've been wondering about this for a long time. Right now, he's our star DE and he just isn't meant to be that guy. When we drafted him, Rivera was looking at moving the defense to a 3-4 alignment and Burns was perfect for the transitional team and then to be a rushing LB.

The guy is just built for that role, not as a hand in the dirt DE on a 4-3 alignment.

He gets sacks, and he gets pressures, he gets tackles for losses, but they are all against his natural position. If he had a 3-4 DE in front of him tying up blockers, you'd be seeing some really disruptive play out of the guy.

If we are planning on staying with a 4-3 alignment, then he's not going to be worth the investment we'll have to make and he'll never hit his full potential. And I like the guy, I really do. He's always been a great Panther, he's just not built to be on the line. 

And let's not get into his rush defense... he's great in chase mode, but he can get trucked if the play is designed to go his way.

It's all going to depend on what the next HC wants this team to be.

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