If a player stinks on one team, but is good on another, what does that mean ?

[Day1PanthersFan]

Players stinking up the field here, but going to more stable franchises and winning games proves there is something broken at an organizational level within the Panthers , just like the success stories we used to have with players from bad franchises

Keeping your head in the sand and banning anybody that mentions it won't change that 

[electro's horse]

I’m happy for baker but let’s wait for more than one game (against a team that’s done nothing but blow fourth quarter leads this year) before we start meeting him in the parking lot of a Cheesecake Factory 

[Wundrbread33]

I think it’s been very clear that McAdoo is a huge issue. 
 

It’s also been very clear that McVay is very much not an issue. 

[Mr. Scot]

It can mean a lot of things.

Bad coaching

Poor system fit

Mismatched coaching style

And others...

There's not necessarily one single reason.

[DeAngelo Beason]

I wouldn't go as far as saying Baker Mayfield was "good" last night.

[JawnyBlaze]

Either they weren’t a fit for the system, didn’t have the talent around them, or coaching. It’s pretty obvious the answer for anyone in the past 11 years or so is the latter. 

[MechaZain]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It can mean a lot of things.

Bad coaching

Poor system fit

Mismatched coaching style

And others...

There's not necessarily one single reason.

What are the others because these are all coaching

[TheMaulClaw]

I think the answer here is simple.  It's scheme.  Look at Frankie Luuvu.  That guy is flourishing here, but was just a special teamer every where else.  I think all franchises have situations like this happen.  D'onta Foreman has been one of the best running backs in the league since he's gotten the burn.  He has out performed CMC in this offense this season.  CMC goes to San Fran and looks great again.  Then again CMC went to go play for a honorary family member.  Talk about a nepotistic situation.  poo is just weird like that sometimes.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

A. Not the right system for him.

2. Coaching doesn't edit on the fly to help him.

D. Personal issues.

[Ricky Spanish]

We don't need to do these mental gymnastics games people.

Our coaching staff is sub-par and we need a new one. 

 

[BrianS]

5 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

We don't need to do these mental gymnastics games people.

Our coaching staff is sub-par and we need a new one. 

Agree.  We've got a bunch of "For the feels!" fans here who want Wilkes to continue, but I don't think that's the way to fix the franchise.  We need a new staff.  If the new HC wants to interview existing staff for roles going forward, by all means, interview them.  I think Campen has been incredible for the franchise for instance.

[Bear Hands]

11 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

We don't need to do these mental gymnastics games people.

Our coaching staff is sub-par and we need a new one. 

 

And it doesn't matter how much of a players' coach Wilks is.  I'd be game for him to stay under a new HC if they like him but he's still a Ron-era echo.  We need a clean slate, new staff.  And an NFL professional level one.  

[Shocker]

It was 1 game…give Baker some time to be the real Baker

[CRA]

It's like a draft pick.  Situation matters.  I mean, if Tom Brady went to some military college and they ran the triple option.....he would have sucked. 

Coaching, scheme, talent.  All that impacts how a player grows or plays. 

I mean, Rams vs Carolina.  Rams have a significantly better offensive guy running that show.  That's going to help not hurt a player.   Not just QB.  You could put Kupp on a lot of teams he wouldn't be the same guy either.  Bad O scheme.  Bad QB.  Behind a bad O.  It limits his potential.