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Which combo are you taking?

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bythenbrs Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Well according to Daniel Jeremiah we are halfway to your hopes.

Daniel Jeremiah 2023 NFL mock draft 1.0: Texans, Ravens among four teams selecting quarterbacks

Not to derail the thread but, shocked that Atlanta passes on Stroud, and Kincaid is taken ahead of Mayer.

He he he.  Kids and their mock drafts.

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7 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

If we can get Stroud, especially without trading up, that would be nice. Payton and Richardson is very intriguing, though we would likely run with a vet next season. But 2-3 years from now, I would be interested to see what that combo could do. 

If Stroud drops to us, its a no brainer like Icky was.  I'm not that big on Richardson, but if anyone can help him develop into a good NFL QB its Payton.

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1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm going to laugh so hard if come next season it's Peyton and Darnold starting the season.  This place will be hilarious to watch the meltdowns. 

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If we trade assets for Sean Payton I'd put the odds of Darnold being the starter for 2023 at about 1%

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6 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Opt 2 is my preference out of that list. I want a young OC to pair with a young QB and hopefully build a dynasty.

A young OC as HC and a good young QB who is not clutch does not make for a dynasty.

They have to win the SB in 3 to 5 seasons. There have only been 2 OCs who have not been to a conference championship game and won a SB. They did however study under championship coaches for over half a decade and have been to the playoffs consistently.

Steichen has been to the playoffs 1 time as a coach. He has never been to a conference championship game. He has not studied under a championship HC.

Gruden and Gibbs are the successful examples and they both needed 30 year-old QBs in Joe Theismann, Rich Gannon, and Brad Johnson to achieve that success as young OCs. Young drafted QBs paired with successful older OCs who have been to a conference championship have not happened for championship teams. The closest you get is drafting Aaron Rodgers and sitting behind a HoF QB for multiple seasons. McCarthy was 6 years older when hired and 10+ years deeper in coaching experience with a conference championship game under his belt.

Steichen needs more time if he does not come up big in the playoffs this season. Otherwise, he is just using the Panthers HC position as a stepping stone for his 2nd chance in the NFL. Even if Steichen becomes the HC, you will want to pair him with a QB who has proven he can win and go to the playoffs on the NFL level - like a David Carr.

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57 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

A young OC as HC and a good young QB who is not clutch does not make for a dynasty.

They have to win the SB in 3 to 5 seasons. There have only been 2 OCs who have not been to a conference championship game and won a SB. They did however study under championship coaches for over half a decade and have been to the playoffs consistently.

Steichen has been to the playoffs 1 time as a coach. He has never been to a conference championship game. He has not studied under a championship HC.

Gruden and Gibbs are the successful examples and they both needed 30 year-old QBs in Joe Theismann, Rich Gannon, and Brad Johnson to achieve that success as young OCs. Young drafted QBs paired with successful older OCs who have been to a conference championship have not happened for championship teams. The closest you get is drafting Aaron Rodgers and sitting behind a HoF QB for multiple seasons. McCarthy was 6 years older when hired and 10+ years deeper in coaching experience with a conference championship game under his belt.

Steichen needs more time if he does not come up big in the playoffs this season. Otherwise, he is just using the Panthers HC position as a stepping stone for his 2nd chance in the NFL. Even if Steichen becomes the HC, you will want to pair him with a QB who has proven he can win and go to the playoffs on the NFL level - like a David Carr.

You said Icky was a bust and Aqeel Glass was a top QB in the draft last year. I don’t have time for you and your nonsense. 

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1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

A young OC as HC and a good young QB who is not clutch does not make for a dynasty.

They have to win the SB in 3 to 5 seasons. There have only been 2 OCs who have not been to a conference championship game and won a SB. They did however study under championship coaches for over half a decade and have been to the playoffs consistently.

Steichen has been to the playoffs 1 time as a coach. He has never been to a conference championship game. He has not studied under a championship HC.

Gruden and Gibbs are the successful examples and they both needed 30 year-old QBs in Joe Theismann, Rich Gannon, and Brad Johnson to achieve that success as young OCs. Young drafted QBs paired with successful older OCs who have been to a conference championship have not happened for championship teams. The closest you get is drafting Aaron Rodgers and sitting behind a HoF QB for multiple seasons. McCarthy was 6 years older when hired and 10+ years deeper in coaching experience with a conference championship game under his belt.

Steichen needs more time if he does not come up big in the playoffs this season. Otherwise, he is just using the Panthers HC position as a stepping stone for his 2nd chance in the NFL. Even if Steichen becomes the HC, you will want to pair him with a QB who has proven he can win and go to the playoffs on the NFL level - like a David Carr.

I sincerely hope you meant Derek Carr. 

Otherwise, you are dead to me.

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