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Panthers are positioned very well for 2024 and on


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10 minutes ago, Varking said:

The Bears had a ton of cap space and they spent it all on dudes that haven't done much other than tackle. Having money is good. Spending it wisely is better. Do we trust Fitt to spend it wisely?

As a once fitts support and i still think its early and all. But his trading has not panned out and if young is a bust, so was the trade and bu-bye fiits. 

Its sooo bad that many believe herniay is/was better....

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3 hours ago, Lame Duck said:

We might not have 1st round draft pick but we projected to have $70M in cap space and if we restructure Moton, the number can rise to nearly $90M.  If we make Jackson post June 1st cut, we can save additional $11M.  In 2025, we are projected to have nearly $160M in cap space so we have to spend.

Next year FA market is loaded.  Of course some folks will get franchised but there’s a chance for us to go nuts.

Just leaving it here for some positive vibes.  While we are look like a complete trash, this team is positioned very well to flip this around in a very short period of time.

this would be inspiring if money was the issue 

i could have a billion dollars but if I buy a billion dollars worth of dildos with it does it matter?

unless your Juan’s mom, the answer is no

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1 hour ago, onmyown said:

this would be inspiring if money was the issue 

i could have a billion dollars but if I buy a billion dollars worth of dildos with it does it matter?

unless your Juan’s mom, the answer is no

You can have a dildo monopoly.  You could be Elon Musk of dildos.

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4 hours ago, ickmule said:

Tepper is the owner. We aren’t set for anything other than being a circus.  

This statement made me think. . .thinking what type of business Tepper deals in.  This led to researching short selling.  This topic came up in a thread here on November 7th 2021 started by Squid Game.  Tepper is short selling the Panthers which was the crux of the thread.

 

It would be interesting to see the nuances of the contract of the sell.  It's totally possible if provided for in the details.  Everyone in the thread pooh pooh the notion but. . .

. . .makes you wonder.

It's not an uncommon tactic of hedge funders.  But to do so publicly ? Ruthlessness is a common trait.  This would definitely be ruthless.

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7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything hinges on Bryce Young panning out. It always has ever since we made that trade and pick. If he is the real deal we're gonna be fine. If he isn't it's gonna be a rough few years.

We need a new GM and coach. Other teams have pushed their chips in on a QB who went bust (or whom they thought went bust) and survived, and we can too with the right people at the helm. Of course it will take a couple of years, but it is what it is.

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