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Panthers Vs Saints 1PM Gameday Thread


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Just now, Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands said:

I stopped watching for awhile but it is like a car crash, it is hard to turn away.  It boggles my mind that Youngs deep ball completion percentage wasn't more widely to discussed in the months leading up to the draft. 

His OL was elite, his WRs were elite and his flaws were masked because of such.  If you look at his highlight videos at Bama, he has time to sit in the pocket all day and usually at least one of his elite weapons would make some Vanderbilt 2-star corner look silly.  When you are WIDE @SS OPEN, the QB doesn't have to be pinpoint accurate, just in the neighborhood, and those elite WRs made those catches.

Take home points--in the NFL:

-WRs don't often dupe DBs to get wide open, busted coverages are rare

-OL's, even good ones, can only buy you so much time

-Tight window throws are M-A-N-D-A-T-R-Y to be effective

-Got to be able to make ALL the throws--can't have a limited tool bag.

This is why Bryce will never make it in the NFL, not as a effective starter.

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Well, looks like Bryce can throw deep, he just can't do it accurately right now.  His footwork is horrible and he is to blame for that I also think that the constant pressure has him gun shy. 

He won't (and shouldn't) stand tall in the pocket and follow through in the face of a the pass rush.  A lot of his throws he is throwing and turning away to keep from getting hit.  So, he doesn't follow through and is inaccurate.

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1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Well, looks like Bryce can throw deep, he just can't do it accurately right now.  His footwork is horrible and he is to blame for that I also think that the constant pressure has him gun shy. 

He won't (and shouldn't) stand tall in the pocket and follow through in the face of a the pass rush.  A lot of his throws he is throwing and turning away to keep from getting hit.  So, he doesn't follow through and is inaccurate.

1.9 yards per attempt is wooof

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3 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

This. Im sick of bryce defenders cherry picking strouds few bad games.

People were looking like absolute idiots jumping up and down when we beat the Texans. CJ has had like 2 or 3 mediocre games and 7 8 9 great ones. 

And this is when the excuse of “he’s just a rookie” is actually acceptable to use.

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