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Tepper era biggest blunder…

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3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

It was firing Rhule mid-season, I was infuriated when he did it and it was the first domino that lead to us being here right now.  We weren't going to win games with him as the HC and Tepper knew it so he made the move, but it was cutting off his nose to spite his face.

If we kept Rhule all season, we end up with the #1 pick of the draft all on our own, which means even if we still took Bryce, we still would have kept DJ and all those draft picks.  If we still take Bryce, he's still awful and we end up replacing him with the QB heavy draft from this past season since we would have still had our 2025 1st.  

If we went a different way and took Stroud, pairing him with DJ and whoever else we built the WR room around (which likely would have included Tank Dell, as remember, Stroud went to the Texans after they took him and asked them to draft Dell as they had built up a great chemistry working out together before the draft).

Rhule should have never seen that 3rd season.   He was a dead man walking going in.   A pointless season before week 1 kicked off.  Sort of like starting Bryce off as the QB season….bad QB, no reps, in a system that didn’t fit him.  It was pointless before the opening kick. 

That’s what irritates me. 

 

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7 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

If we’re talking very early blunders I would say telling Ron he wanted a 3-4 defense. Seems that started the ball rolling backwards.

I might simplify that to 'stuck his nose into coaching/gm business'. That was the first big one I think. 

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There has been so many but in order IMO

1- The trade up AND selecting Bryce. I put both here because basically if we chose either not to trade up we end up with Caleb Williams, Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels. If we still trade up but we take CJ Stroud that would have been worth it. Either way if either of those two factors go differently we are an entire differently organization. 

2- Not taking Justin Fields when we had the chance. Not only did we trade for Darnold before the draft. We could have just sat where we were taken Fields. Let him develop under Teddy for a year and see what we had. We save the picks from the Darnold deal but more importantly....THERE would have been no need to trade up for Bryce OR trade away CMC as we still would have been giving Fields his fair shot. Further if Fields had sucked here last year we would have ended up with Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye

As you can see Tepper has a cost us Williams, Daniels or Maye TWICE by his level of impatience. Now the most precious point about number two is, there is a very real chance we sign Justin Fields this offseason 

3- not just keeping Cam Newton for the last year of his contract. This is truly when our downward spiral / constant moving towards a new QB started. If we keep Cam that year we likely suck very badly as it is Rhule's first year and Cam would be hurt and we likely end up with Trevor Lawrence 

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Shitting on Hurney is en vogue for decent reasons but he always hit on first round picks. We would be in a lot better shape now if he had just made our first picks the last 4 years. He also raped the Bears for Olsen. 

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All time Tepper team

GM: Hurney 

Coach: Rivera .429 (when 12-16 got a coach fired for not making the playoffs) *Wilks .500

QB Kyle Allen

RB CMC

WR DJ Moore

TE Greg Olsen

OL Trai Turner

DL Kawaan Short

EDGE Brian Burns

LB Luke Kuechly

DB Eric Reid

R Alex Erickson

K Eddy Pineiro

P Johnny Hekker

LS JJ Jansen

It's been all down hill with the Teppers since at every position outside K, P and LS.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

Rhule should have never seen that 3rd season.   He was a dead man walking going in.   A pointless season before week 1 kicked off.  Sort of like starting Bryce off as the QB season….bad QB, no reps, in a system that didn’t fit him.  It was pointless before the opening kick. 

That’s what irritates me. 

 

Sure that's a fair argument as well, but once it was clear the team had quit on him and we didn't have a good roster in place to begin with, the smart thing would be to just embrace the suck for one season and use it to kickstart the re-build with the #1 draft pick without needing to make a stupid trade to get there.

Of all the dumb decisions this franchise has made over the last couple years, that trade was by far the worst of them as we were already a roster without a lot of talent and we traded away our best offensive weapon and multiple high draft picks in a bad QB draft, just dumb and compounded a multitude of other issues.

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2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

It was firing Rhule mid-season, I was infuriated when he did it and it was the first domino that lead to us being here right now.  We weren't going to win games with him as the HC and Tepper knew it so he made the move, but it was cutting off his nose to spite his face.

If we kept Rhule all season, we end up with the #1 pick of the draft all on our own, which means even if we still took Bryce, we still would have kept DJ and all those draft picks.  If we still take Bryce, he's still awful and we end up replacing him with the QB heavy draft from this past season since we would have still had our 2025 1st.  

If we went a different way and took Stroud, pairing him with DJ and whoever else we built the WR room around (which likely would have included Tank Dell, as remember, Stroud went to the Texans after they took him and asked them to draft Dell as they had built up a great chemistry working out together before the draft).

Exactly. Either fire Rhule before the season or let him finish season 3. Firing him 5 games in just showed he was on the hot seat before the season even started, and that is no way to go into your football season and off season. Decisions are heavily weighed by that fact.

Like you said, letting Rhule lose out saves us a lot of picks and we keep DJ. It was a monumentally short sighted decision that has left us quite possibly trading that pick for less than we still owe. 

This is one of many bad decisions to choose from, but I think it best encapsulates the Tepper era. Emotional tantrum reaction that there's no real way to recover from.

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