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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

And his own limitations. Honestly, this is probably his ceiling. This is about as well as he can honestly be expected to play at the NFL level.

I disagree, he needs consistency with personnel and coaching. I think he can be a starter. We should all hope that’s what he becomes. Unless you want that bum Beck from GA. Because we are not getting the no 1 overall pick. 

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1 minute ago, Chief_Chokeaho said:

Bryce has played well despite the limitations of the offense and talent around him. Period. 

Make sure you include his limitations as well. He is far from the most talented player on the offense himself so I don't know why you even use that word. 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And his own limitations. Honestly, this is probably his ceiling. This is about as well as he can honestly be expected to play at the NFL level.

I think he has a little more ceiling than this. Likely tops out at average level NFL starter, however.

I don't think it matters too much. If he is around averagish or a little worse, we can still build a team through the draft and FA. I just don't want to see us invest in a second Bryce contract in that scenario.

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2 minutes ago, Chief_Chokeaho said:

Bryce has played well despite the limitations of the offense and talent around him. Period. 

This is why so many oldtimers don't engage as much...

We get it... Bryce has been a disappointment so far being a number 1 pick.

But seriously, it's embarrassing for us that have actually watched the NFL for 30+ years to see some of these takes...

He's playing with all rookies and looking competent... given the circumstances, Bryce has played really well

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    • I'm not a Bryce hater and I would 100% move on.  Especially looking at how the upcoming qb draft looks on paper.  Hopefully he continues to improve but if in 3 seasons you're still chasing average season numbers then he's not going to be the guy.  You've just got to keep taking swings until you hit.  Average qbs without any elite physical traits cant get it done anymore.  So this year Hopefully he continues to develop and is above average statistically.
    • Meltdowns???? He was pulled by Canales because he wasn't executing the game plan after 2 games into the season so he could watch Dalton execute the offense and show Bryce the windows available in the NFL, how to push the ball down the field and how to step up and move around when blitzed. When Young came back 5 games later he clearly watched and improved. Enough he was named the future starter. He doesn't have a history of  meltdowns nor is there any reason to assume he will have one. From what I have read he is mentally strong and emotional stable. He may have bad games down the road, everyone does. But this is all a learning experience for him and so far he seems to be making progress. I can understand being hesitant on anything Panthers, but Young has surprisingly been able to gain his confidence after a disastrous start. You aren't alone in being cautious but I think he is the future. I thought he was too small and too short to succeed in the NFL. Honestly I was pleasantly surprised last year and am optimistic about the offense for the first time since Wilks and Dalton were decent.
    • The Rams wanted to trade up for Williams who they ended up within the end. They even told him that when they called him to let him know he is the pick. The other teams are only an assumption. Like the Cowboys, who took a guard. The truth is the team wanted to trade down first and foremost but couldn't get an offer the were happy with. They took McMillan because they felt he was bpa at 8 plain and simple. 
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