Between Canales and Morgan, who do you keep and trust moving forward

[electro's horse]

Dan Morgan had a hand in hiring Canales, a coach who famously did not have another request for interview from any other team. He’s been around in some capacity for every terrible decision this team has made over the last four years or so. He is the closest thing there is to an architect for this team. Dan has been around the league with connections in Seattle and Buffalo, and is well respected as a former player  

canales was brought on to fix Bryce and has failed. He has created a very soft team and his act is wearing thin. For the second year in a row this team did not look ready to play week 1. Was replaced without an issue in Tampa, and THAT coach kicked his ass yesterday. Hired when he was because tepper probably realized because of the state of the team they were gonna have to hire someone too soon and hope they nailed it. Canales really only has connections to the Pete Carroll tree and honestly probably hasn’t worked long enough to build a huge Rolodex. Part of the reason I suspect Evero is forced to stay.

changed have to be made following this season. Assuming Bryce is jettisoned (he won’t tolerate being benched and will probably be cut or traded), which option is the best moving forward?

1. Keep both Canales and Morgan - are these two tied to the hip? Have you see enough in other parts of the team to trust these two drafting/developing not just a new qb, but the rest of the positions on the team? Do we just dump all the Bryce blame on Tepper and hope for the best? 

2. Fire both Canales and Morgan - get a whole new team in here to reset the table. Hire a GM after the trade deadline, fire Morgan, let the new guy evaluate, then send Canales packing the second the opportunity arises. Could Tepper tolerate bringing in a serious GM who’d be able to pick his own coaches and players without his input? Perhaps even a coach who isn’t a youth pastor or a MLM dude? Has David been cucked that hard?

3. Fire Morgan, keep Canales - now we’re talking. This team is an untalented mess, and I am worried Morgan doesn’t have an eye for nfl talent. They’re small and slow at every position. XL probably needs to be put out to pasture. Someone has to pay for this. If you think Canales is a good enough coach to survive this, he just doesn’t have the pieces, then this is how you go. Canales would likely be involved in the next GM, and it’d probably be some low level guy from the Bucs. Well call this the marty hurney option.

4. keep Morgan, fire Canales - who can evaluate these players with this coaching amiright? Not Morgan’s fault Canales can’t teach XL to play. No one is gonna develop with Bryce out there at qb, and that was supposed to be Canales job. This team would get out effort’d by the 2003 panthers….if they brought those guys out of retirement today. Do you trust Dan Morgan to hire another coach and manage another draft class? We’ll call this the Marty hurney option.

For me, I think the best option is number 2. Get someone new in here for the second half of the season, let them get a lay of the land and start building their vision, then hit the ground running after week 18. 

what I don’t want is some Chicago bears scenario where a lame duck coach gets an extra year and a chance with a high pick qb, then gets fired and a new coach comes in to fix the qb, all the while a middling GM survives because of office politics. We’ve already seen how bringing in a coach to fix damaged goods has gone; it’s bad.

Whatever we do, the GM, Head coach, and maybe qb need to be on the same page. We’ve got to stop this back and forth between the front office and coaching staff and personnel  

in all these scenarios evero retains his job, somehow. 

[electro's horse]

I will add that I think, atleast Canales and Morgan, are both planning to come back after throwing Bryce under the sbortest bus they can find. 

Trading thielen before the season starts, regardless of what his fuging wife wanted, is not a life you make if you’re trying to win games. 

If you were trying to knife Bryce once and for all, how would it look any different?

plus, Canales strikes me as exactly the kind of person who’s going to start leaking poo to the press about Bryce. It’s the whole evangelical thing; smile to your face, knife you in the back, especially when you’re trying to save your own skin. And don’t accuse me of anti Christian bias you know that’s 100% true 

[mrcompletely11]

It made zero sense to promote Morgan and the red flags on Canales resembled myrtle Beach during a hurricane 

[OneBadCat]

I think Tepper will give them one more shot with a new QB.

[Camp Fodder]

Number 2 is the correct answer but needs to include trade Bryce Young

[Tr3ach]

I think Canales should have a chance to get his own qb.  Young never fit his system at all.  I think Morgan should be gone though.  I never liked the hiring.

[Shotgun]

Fire both of them.

[AggieLean]

Fire both, but I think the more realistic option is firing Morgan - Keep Canales. 

[Jon Snow]

Keep neither. 

[djp14]

[Ornias]

You need a new GM to pick his coach and the coach to pick his QB. No more half measures. 

[KillerKat]

I think what most likely will happen is keep Morgan and Canales but fire Evero and trade away Young. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

Id prefer to fire both but DC has had to coach with one hand tied behind his back. He relies on. A QB that can make chunk throws and we'll, that ain't BY. Morgan on the other hand has taken a master class from Scott Fittershits University of Drafting and Management and this is the result. He needs to go. 

[hepcat]

Let's see what the final record is this season. But in all likelihood when it's another 5 or less win season, everyone has to go. There are some young pieces to build around but most of the roster needs to be rebuilt. 

Obviously get rid of Bryce, get him out of the building immediately. Cut him, trade him, whatever it is. I just don't see how keeping him around is helping anything. He's not a starting caliber NFL caliber QB. He's probably going to have a long career as a backup, but he's not a starter.

They don't need to go draft a QB right away. Get a veteran stopgap QB and go nuts drafting defense. Build the team up. Get a defensive head coach. It's time to stop trying to be like everyone else and go back to what the Panthers did well which was run the ball and play excellent defense. Draft a QB when the team isn't a sack of flaming garbage.