Insight from...Rex Ryan?

[Tbe]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

As someone pointed out before, it's not really all that necessary at the college level. If you've got superior players or you find a favorable matchup you can easily exploit, you're golden.

The checkers vs chess analogy really applies quite well here.

Yep, and they don’t have a single chess player on that staff.

Matt needs to realize he is a college culture builder. Not an NFL strategist.

He’ll be a lot more successful following the path he’s good at.

 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

People start overthinking all of this.

Here is the biggest issue with college coaches, in college the team with the better players usually win. 

So what happens with these guys like Meyer they start to think their process or their culture or their toughness they install is the reason they win, or they start to believe they are better with the Xs and Os,  in reality they are largely winning because they have better players.  That is why you often see them do odd personnel decisions when they get to the pros because they are trying to create some culture they think was the key for their winning at the college level.

Now they get to their pros and turns out their "culture" isn't really anything special and they aren't really superior from an Xs and Os perspective, so it falls back on the players.

All this talk about Rhule and his favoritism is a bit overplayed, did it hurt?  maybe some, but its not the real problem.

The major problem for Rhule is he did a bad job of picking players.  He failed at QB and he failed at the offensive line, lets don't overthink this.  Fact is, he doesn't have the better players at some really important positions, so now it's up to the Xs and Os of his coaches, and so far that is looking good.

I said before the season started, there was a mindset among this staff that they could take bad players, with good traits and coach them up, and that very rarely happens at the pro level.  Once  a player is in the league for a few years you usually have a pretty good idea of what they are.

Is this ego?  of course it is, all coaches have it or they wouldn't be at this level.  Ron did the same thing with Matt Kalil.  The questions is can Rhule learn from it if he retained for another year.

 

 

 

 

College is recruiting and culture.  

NFL is about X and Os and talent at the right spots 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

Yep, and they don’t have a single chess player on that staff.

Matt needs to realize he is a college culture builder. Not an NFL strategist.

He’ll be a lot more successful following the path he’s good at.

I'd read what he had to say about the kind of power structure it would take to convince him to jump to the NFL. For me, that was one of the reasons why I believed he wouldn't get the job.

Then he did, and got exactly what he was asking for

I remember cringing at the time but trying to tell myself that it could work. Heck, for a while it looked like it might.

But here we are...

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, Shocker said:

I don’t think comparing Meyer with Rhule is very fair to Matt.  Completely different people in terms of integrity and personality.

You don’t know that.  You think you do and that’s ok

Some would say he was a bit disingenuous with Temple  and Baylor and his little trip to the Giants with the Panthers offer in hand 

If you feel things aren’t ‘fair to Matt’ here, the NY media would have buried him for incompetence and been quick about it.

[Paa Langfart]

going to  do a juan here

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Paa Langfart

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Shocker said:

Completely different people in terms of integrity and personality.

So Carolina has a dishonest charlatan rather than a washed-up philanderer.

Yay?

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

You don’t know that.  You think you do and that’s ok

Some would say he was a bit disingenuous with Temple  and Baylor and his little trip to the Giants with the Panthers offer in hand 

If you feel things aren’t ‘fair to Matt’ here, the NY media would have buried him for incompetence and been quick about it.

Yeah in hindsight it's easy to see how this has all fallen apart when you look back at the red flags the Panthers ignored when they switched from an interview to sales pitch before they even got settled upon arriving. David Tepper treated the most consequential decision the franchise has faced in years like a popularity contest instead of ensuring the right man was hired for the job. And before anyone chimes in about the former radio host making decisions..just no. If he had actually been in charge of anything we may have Justin Herbert rn ironically enough. Tepper got his man he fell head over heels for at first sight and now we are all living with the consequences.

[Pimpdaddy]

8 hours ago, Shocker said:

I don’t think comparing Meyer with Rhule is very fair to Matt.  Completely different people in terms of integrity and personality.

but both losers...

[Shocker]

7 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

but both losers...

Well actually both are winners overall.  In college.  You can be unhappy that Matt Rhule hasn’t turned this around but compared to a warthog like Meyer he is a saint.

[mc52beast]

It’s pretty simple. You don’t have a salary cap in college, you can bring in as much talent as your recruiting skills allows you. Young kids look at guys like Saban like they are gods, will break thru walls for them.

In the NFL you have a salary cap and you have to pay big money for top talent. And the people you coach aren’t wide-eyed kids right out of high school, they’re grown men.

[KatsAzz]

 This is from a January 19 2021 article :

These coaches have attempted the leap from college to the pro’s. According to research from ESPN’s Cole Cubelic, since the year 2000 there have been 11 coaches hired to the NFL directly from a college position. Here are their records during those tenures: 

1st Time NFL Head Coaches hired Directly from College since 2000:

• Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers 5-11
• Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals 13-18-1
• Bill O’Brien, Houston Texans 52-48
• Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles 26-21
• Doug Marrone, Buffalo Bills 15-17
• Greg Schiano, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11-21
• Jim Harbaugh, San Francisco 49ers 44-19-1
• Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons 3-10
• Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins 15-17
• Steve Spurrier, Washington Football Team 12-20
• Butch Davis, Cleveland Browns 24-35

[Eazy-E]

Nepotism isn’t going to get you very far in the NFL.

It ended up being a major factor in Rivera’s failure as well.

I know it must feel nice to be able to give your friends jobs or sign players you have had relationships with in the past, but this is the NFL. You have to surround yourself with the people who give you the best chance to win, past relationships be damned.

[rebelrouser]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I wonder what the reaction would be if the Panthers brought Rex in for an interview---I never really took him seriously as a coach, but when I hear him speak, I am usually enlightened.

There is a reason he is talking about football to clueless fans rather than coaching in the NFL: .480 winning percentage. 

[ThPantherFan]

11 hours ago, Shocker said:

I don’t think comparing Meyer with Rhule is very fair to Matt.  Completely different people in terms of integrity and personality.

I'm sorry but I think it's fair enough.  They are different people but the approach Max was making is you deal with the NFL players differently than college.  Matt is doing the same as Meyer. Just my humble opinion.