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4 /3 or 3/4 scheme.


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How hard is it to setup the new scheme and to implement it. If you have the right players to fit the scheme (big if), can you effectively implement it in one season or does it take much longer.

Can we expect them to "get it" this season or not.

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We brought in a lot of players and some of our current ones (Burns and Brown) are better built for a 3-4. So we are looking at our front 7 with our best 2 players being better fit for the 3-4. Depth looks to be an issue, but I think the biggest hurdle is just players learning their new assignments. 

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3 hours ago, Admiral Ackbar said:

I dont think the switch from 4-3 to 3-4 is the issue, I think its that we cant stop teams running on us.

Granted Burns and Houston wasnt out there, but even last year we got torched on the ground and I dont see a pick or signing this offseason to correct it.

agreed, 4-3 vs 3-4 is pretty much irrelevant since nickel is 80% of defenses. stopping the run comes down to gap control, setting the edge, and making the tackle. some guys are just not playing physical enough and/or not doing their jobs

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11 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

We brought in a lot of players and some of our current ones (Burns and Brown) are better built for a 3-4. So we are looking at our front 7 with our best 2 players being better fit for the 3-4. Depth looks to be an issue, but I think the biggest hurdle is just players learning their new assignments. 

Burns is notoriously bad(or even lazy) against the run though. So not sure how much of a boon he’d be in this situation. 

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I've seen 3-3-5 teams stop the run effectively. Scheme matters less than matchup and execution. You don't want to run a base 3-4 against a 2 te set, but you don't want to run a base 4-3 against that either. Neither offers a distinct advantage in that scenario. Base defense is just presuming the offense is in a typical pro set, and pro set is often 3 wr and a single back, so that has shifted. 3-4 fits today's NFL best.

 

We're a year or two away from truly being good on offense. It's why a 7 or 8 win season would be a good year for us this year. Rookie QB, new staff, new systems. We all should be wanting to see progression week over week more than anything.

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Going to need some more beef on the defensive line with Derrick Brown. If Tuttle, McCall, or Williams steps up that'd be a huge boost.

Frankie and Shaq looked great at ILB.

Put Burns and Houston on the outside instead of giving YGM all of the chances in the world to do nothing while Chinn is roaming wherever they put him and that run defense instantly looks better.

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1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

Burns is notoriously bad(or even lazy) against the run though. So not sure how much of a boon he’d be in this situation. 

It's the same reason he isn't even in the same ballpark as Bosa contract wise.  He's terrible against the run, and isn't a true game wrecker.  Wonderful edge rusher, but ultimately he's a specialist and thats it.

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