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Sam Darnold can’t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage.

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1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

He had one game in the playoffs, and that last drive was anything but clutch. However, if it wasn't for the epic collapse of the Bucs, the Saints not starting Shough earlier in the season, or the Falcons bailing us out with a win we couldn't get ourselves, there is no playoff game. 

Yay, we made the playoffs at 8-9. That ain't happening every year. You gotta be clutch during the season too and we didn't see that. To be clutch in the playoffs you have to get there. Bryce's performance this year is taking no one there except in the NFCS on a really bad year. 

Criticize Darnold all you want, but he wasn't the one sitting on the couch cheering on another team to get him there, because he failed badly to get us there when he needed to be "clutch." You may not consider him clutch in the playoffs, but he's gotten 2 teams there, both with very good records too. 

It's an unpopular opinion, but I think if you can't win your division with a winning record you shouldn't be in the playoffs unless by some miracle your wildcard record gets you in. It's just another participation trophy if you do. 

Hold on now. Something seems to have gotten lost in translation here so I will make it as clear as possible. Sam Darnold is a better QB than Bryce Young at this point in their careers. I’m not criticizing Sam for anything, I’m stating in both their careers Bryce looks more clutch in the playoffs than Sam. That literally could change in 5 hours. Or maybe because of the last drive against the Rams your opinion is different. That is completely fine and I respect it. I also agree with your post quoted here. 
 

Im not addressing or arguing Frank’s red herring it’s childish and he does it every thread, we can go find that in any of the other hundreds he does if we want to re hash it. I just ask you don’t argue his false equivalence to me like I was the one who said it. Frank can argue whatever he wants to himself. 

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I made this thread and I stick by it. Darnold looked like garbage at the end of 2021. But the entire Panthers franchise has been garbage for so long it doesn’t even matter who was the QB. It’s clear the team needs a QB so good the putrid stench of ineptitude doesn’t phase them, IE Cam Newton. 

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1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

Hold on now. Something seems to have gotten lost in translation here so I will make it as clear as possible. Sam Darnold is a better QB than Bryce Young at this point in their careers. 

I agree. And Sam Darnold year three was worse than Bryce Young year three.  

But there are so many things that go into it.  What kind of a team does the qb have around them?  How well do they interact with the receivers and offensive line.  How well do the coach and qb interact?  Does the coaches offensive philosphy match well with the qb's skills?

 

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33 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I made this thread and I stick by it. Darnold looked like garbage at the end of 2021. But the entire Panthers franchise has been garbage for so long it doesn’t even matter who was the QB. It’s clear the team needs a QB so good the putrid stench of ineptitude doesn’t phase them, IE Cam Newton. 

Sadly, we even found a way to screw that up.

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This isn’t a Darnold thing, sadly this is a Panthers thing. Worst record in the last decade in the NFL and still yet a winning season. Jets, same story. This is Tepper.

This is mainly a front office and by proxy, a coaching thing. Finding success with the worst in the league is very hard to do. There was a Browns player interview who basically said the franchise can kill players. Aikman said it too.

Darnold’s come back is very impressive and very rare. That is, if you’re a fan of the game and not a butthurt Panthers fan who only watches Panther games.

It’s sad the Panther’s franchise isn’t competent enough to capitalize on talent and at the same time established talent with options won’t even come here.

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3 hours ago, hepcat said:

I made this thread and I stick by it. Darnold looked like garbage at the end of 2021. But the entire Panthers franchise has been garbage for so long it doesn’t even matter who was the QB. It’s clear the team needs a QB so good the putrid stench of ineptitude doesn’t phase them, IE Cam Newton. 

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This isn’t a Darnold thing, sadly this is a Panthers thing. Worst record in the last decade in the NFL and still yet a winning season. Jets, same story. This is Tepper.

This is mainly a front office and by proxy, a coaching thing. Finding success with the worst in the league is very hard to do. There was a Browns player interview who basically said the franchise can kill players. Aikman said it too.

Darnold’s come back is very impressive and very rare. That is, if you’re a fan of the game and not a butthurt Panthers fan who only watches Panther games.

It’s sad the Panther’s franchise isn’t competent enough to capitalize on talent and at the same time established talent with options won’t even come here.

His 1st 2 coaches were Adam Gase and Matt Rhule. 2 HCs for 2 of the worst franchises this past decade. I'm not that surprised actually. Takes a couple years under competent coaches to get up to speed. He's getting there. 

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20 minutes ago, PantherBoy95 said:

I feel Sam needed the change of scenery and a competent coach and system. He wasn't this guy when he last played here. He was also a professional through it all, I don't wish bad on him at all.

No he wasn’t but that last stretch with Wilks, you could see that he was close on a lot of stuff. At least I thought so. 

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No he wasn’t but that last stretch with Wilks, you could see that he was close on a lot of stuff. At least I thought so. 

Idk that bucs game there when it mattered was pretty damn big. Then the dumbasses round here changed it to no 4th quarter game winning drives as the metric to kick Sam to the curb following the game. Welp those folks got karma as a bitch named Bryce and now say the silly stat isn't so important. I find it amusing the most contrived metric in 2022 to blast Sam after the bucs game with brady throwing to prime Mike Evans is now suddenly useless when Bryce is a god at that stat. It is dumb now and was dumb then. Glad Sam has a legit team to actually hold a damn lead.

Rhule and Fitt screwed up in 2022 and set us miles back, not Sam nor Baker. Now Fitt is one of the worst to ever do it, and screwed us so bad. To start 2022 we kept Rhule, then scape goat via Joe Brady, to pennies for CMC, to not accepting the Burns over pay,  to overpay for Bryce. He wrecked us in 12 damn months, much less only 1 top notch  players in 3 drafts in the top 10. Incompetent.

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    • strato
      Sam Darnold can’t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage.

      By strato · Posted

      Yeah. That start to his career was about as bad as it can get. In New York, Meat grinder press corps, of the first degree,    When he came here he was on OC 3 - in year 3.  And people in this fan base that think they are smart, could not take that stuff into account.  Now, most of the smart ones are not Bryce Stans but Bryce gets 4 damned years free pass. At least 3  The fail of the organization AND fan base in general, fuging shamefully short sighted,  And the choking thing, players have to fail before they succeed. With very few exceptions. Last year was really his first meaningful, high stakes game. Okay, he didn’t play well. They learn from that, or are supposed to. You don’t throw out a guy with all those tools and with his rocky did him no favors background for not being perfect right away.  He might suck in the SB, but he proved a ton this year.    If we’d have had any patience he was the guy to use it on, not Bryce Young. 
    • electro's horse
      Sam Darnold can’t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage.

      By electro's horse · Posted

      Darnolds OC when he was drafted was Jeremy Bates who was fired. He hasn’t had an nfl job since then. his next head coach was Adam gates who was fired after two years and isn’t in the league anymore. then he gets traded to the Matt Rhule panthers. His first OC was a hired WAY too early Joe Brady who was fired midseason and basically had to restart his career as a get back coach in Buffalo. then it was Jeff Nixon, who’s currently the head coach for Syracuse. the next season was the best he’d ever looked, and it was the first time he had an actual nfl offensive coordinator calling plays for him. The less said about Matt Rhule the better. then he sits a year and ends up in Minnesota and the rest is history. maybe he just had poo awful coaches for the start of his career. Maybe we should be trying to find someone who flamed out on the jets. one who’s a religious weirdo  and likes to bang married women  that’s right baby, Zach Wilson redemption tour starts now 
    • strato
      Sam Darnold can’t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage.

      By strato · Posted

      Your last paragraph, painful. We suffered it all with Rhule and Fitterer and were rewarded with Bryce.  I’ll stop there, I have made hundreds of posts that say what I would say if I continued. 😂
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